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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:05 pm
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2210031

Spurs lookin' good, but it's a long way till June

By Chris Sheridan
ESPN Insider

It's been two months since Magic Johnson declared, "It's over," and
now, finally, it begins.

The San Antonio Spurs get their championship rings Tuesday night before
starting their march toward a repeat, taking on the Denver Nuggets in
one of four opening-night games.

Yes, folks, nothing but a repeat is in store, and Magic isn't the only
one who says so. In a poll of 12 NBA experts here at ESPN -- yes, we
have a dozen experts on the payroll (What? Too many?) -- every single
one chose San Antonio to become the NBA's first repeat champion in four
years. All that brainpower could never be wrong, right?

Well, it's a 30-team league, and 29 of those teams would probably be
best served by taking exception. A few of them, to be sure, actually
have a fighting chance.

"We believe, honestly, that there are five, six, seven other teams that
have just as much of a chance to win the championship as much as we do.
The fact that we're favored is pretty meaningless to us," Spurs coach
Gregg Popovich said.

What Pop neglected to mention was that a majority of those so-called
contenders reside in the Eastern Conference.

So who exactly was Pop talking about? We'll make that Question 1 as we
explore the top 10 questions of the upcoming season:

Q: Who but the Spurs might win it all?

A: At first glance, it seemed each of the teams thought to represent
the top competition in the West had taken a serious hit.

With Phoenix losing three-fifths of its starting five (Amare Stoudemire
is out four months after microfracture surgery on his knee, and Joe
Johnson and Quentin Richardson were traded), the team that led the NBA
last season with 62 victories is a shell of its former self. So there's
no chance Pop was talking about the Suns, was there?

But aside from the Suns ...

Did Dallas (Michael Finley, Shawn Bradley) and Houston (Bob Sura)
really lose that much? The Mavericks will have depth (Jerry Stackhouse,
Marquis Daniels, Keith Van Horn and Devin Harris coming off the bench)
to match anyone in the conference except the Spurs. Meanwhile, the
Rockets redid their backcourt, adding Rafer Alston and Derek Anderson,
and will bring Stromile Swift, David Wesley, Jon Barry and Dikembe
Mutombo off the bench.

The Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat are everyone's top
three in the East, but the New Jersey Nets have championship-caliber
talent and a deeper bench than a year ago, while the Cleveland
Cavaliers provided enough experienced, complementary pieces (Larry
Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones) to LeBron James to at least be
considered a legitimate contender to break into the East's top four.

Not sure if our list matches Popovich's, but it has to be close.

Q: Where will things go sour first?

A: It's too easy to say Oklahoma City, where the Hornets will struggle
to win 10 games. That's like saying the Spurs will be good.

But check out central Florida, where things were going south fairly
precipitously for the Orlando Magic at the end of last season, and it's
hard to see any way Brian Hill can make a quick fix after the team made
what amounted to zero significant moves in the offseason.

The Magic play eight of their first 12, and 18 of their first 27, at
home, and it'll be a long, slow trip through the final four months of
the season if Steve Francis, Dwight Howard and their supporting cast
don't start strong.

Q: So Brian Hill is the favorite to be the first coach fired?

A: No. Not when they just brought him back.

The hot seat will belong to Rick Adelman of Sacramento if Mike Bibby
and Peja Stojakovic's preseason shooting woes presage what's ahead for
the Kings, who should be the class of a weak division. If they aren't
in first place a month from now, look for the Maloofs to jettison the
only coach the franchise has had for seven-plus seasons. They would
have axed Adelman over the summer if Phil Jackson had been interested.

If Adelman isn't the first to go, it might just be Toronto's Sam
Mitchell or the Hornets' Byron Scott. The Hornets have already fired
just about everyone else.

Q: Which teams are being overlooked?

A: In the West, there's been so much speculative talk about the
possible rise of the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers
that everyone seems to be ignoring the Memphis Grizzlies, whose
additions of Eddie Jones, Damon Stoudamire and Bobby Jackson bring a
veteran maturity that was lacking the past two years as the Grizz were
swept out of the first round. Shane Battier keeps getting better, and
Pau Gasol was super sharp in the preseason.

"I think we accomplished what we wanted to. The next step for this
franchise is to get back [to the playoffs], but then to win," coach
Mike Fratello said.

In the East, plenty of folks are already flip-flopping on their gloomy
preseason predictions for the Milwaukee Bucks, who now have a big
lineup playing for a coach who expected to play small ball.

Q: On the flip side, which teams are being overrated?

A: At a time of the year when optimism flows like jump shots from Ricky
Davis' right hand, it's hard to say anyone is being out-and-out
overrated.

But expectations might have raised perhaps a little too high in Golden
State and Denver, while Washington won't have an easy time getting back
to the second round. New York Knicks fans truly believe Larry Brown can
get them the eighth seed, but it'll be a long climb out of a deep hole
if New York's start is as bad as Brown expects.

Q: Which rookies will be difference-makers?

A: No. 1 pick Andrew Bogut won't shoulder the whole load now that
Jamaal Magloire is aboard in Milwaukee, but that should only help Bogut
as he learns the NBA ropes.

Joey Graham has made the starting lineup in Toronto, and Charlie
Villanueva had a strong enough preseason to take some of the heat off
Raptors GM Rob Babcock for selecting him.

Deron Williams should be the starting point guard in Utah before too
long.

Chris Paul won't have to wait to take over playmaking duties for the
Hornets, and Johan Petro of France has won the starting center spot in
Seattle.

One experienced rookie to keep an eye on is Sarunas Jasikevicius.
Indiana's coaching staff already considers him to be the team's best
pure shooter. He was the MVP of the last two Euroleague Final Fours
with Maccabi Tel Aviv, and Jasikevicius (pronounced
yah-sa-KEV-uh-chiss) knocked down four 3-pointers against Stephon
Marbury in the Olympics when Lithuania handed the United States one of
its three defeats.

Q: What about trades? Any big names going to change teams?

A: Right now, all eyes are on Paul Pierce of the Celtics as Boston
transitions to a youth movement, but Danny Ainge is having a hard time
finding a decent offer as opposing GMs try to pull off the type of
steal Rod Thorn made for New Jersey last year when he acquired Vince
Carter.

If things start extra slowly in New York, don't be shocked if Larry
Brown convinces Isiah Thomas to get rid of Marbury. There's deeper
animosity between the two than either would have the public believe.

Things also aren't going so swimmingly in Portland between Zach
Randolph and new coach Nate McMillan. The Trail Blazers also would be
willing to move Ruben Patterson to free up time for Travis Outlaw, and
Theo Ratliff is being paid too much ($11.7 over this season and the
next two) to be a backup center. Someone in need of size will be
willing to take a chance.

Denver would deal Nene Hilario if it got a big man and a shooting guard
in return, but that'll be hard to pull off with Nene making only $3.04
million.

Q: What's going on in Week 1 that might ratchet up the interest of
casual fans?

A: Well, Ron Artest plays in a game that matters for the first time
since the Palace Brawl when Indiana opens at Orlando on Wednesday, and
it'll be interesting to see how he responds if the league's referees
keep Artest on a short leash.

Nuggets-Spurs on opening night could be a preview of the Western
Conference finals.

Phil and Kobe at Denver is the late game of Wednesday night's
doubleheader.

Larry Brown's home debut is Friday, as is the first Cavs-Spurs game.

The Bobcats open their new building Saturday, and Sam Cassell goes
against his former Minnesota teammates on Monday.

Q: What about Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson? Can they coexist after what
Phil said about Kobe in his book?

A: Both men claim they've put it behind them, though they haven't
actually had a discussion about what Jackson wrote. And since one of
the things Jackson wrote was that Bryant is a grudge-holder, this thing
still has the potential to boil over.

Neither is accustomed to prolonged stretches of losing, and both are
capable of sending harsh signals to the other through the media.

So the over/under on the date of their first feud is Dec. 22.

Q: Anything else worth mentioning?

A: Yeah, the Pistons are even deeper than they were the past two
seasons, and maybe most of us -- including the majority of the experts
at ESPN -- are overlooking or forgetting exactly how formidable they
were the past two seasons.

Chris Sheridan, a national NBA reporter for the past decade, covers the
league for ESPN Insider. To e-mail Chris, click here.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:42 am
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As a Pistons fan, I'll top post just to say (i) dang straight this
article overlooks Detroit, and (ii) on a perhaps less-biased basis,
it's interesting how, with the exception of the Spurs, the power has
shifted to the East. Even two years ago (the year Detroit beat LA),
the conventional wisdom was that there were at least 4-5 teams out west
that could beat any team from the east. That's certainly changed.--Joe


Dave McNulla wrote:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2210031
>
> Spurs lookin' good, but it's a long way till June
>
> By Chris Sheridan
> ESPN Insider
>
> It's been two months since Magic Johnson declared, "It's over," and
> now, finally, it begins.
>
> The San Antonio Spurs get their championship rings Tuesday night before
> starting their march toward a repeat, taking on the Denver Nuggets in
> one of four opening-night games.
>
> Yes, folks, nothing but a repeat is in store, and Magic isn't the only
> one who says so. In a poll of 12 NBA experts here at ESPN -- yes, we
> have a dozen experts on the payroll (What? Too many?) -- every single
> one chose San Antonio to become the NBA's first repeat champion in four
> years. All that brainpower could never be wrong, right?
>
> Well, it's a 30-team league, and 29 of those teams would probably be
> best served by taking exception. A few of them, to be sure, actually
> have a fighting chance.
>
> "We believe, honestly, that there are five, six, seven other teams that
> have just as much of a chance to win the championship as much as we do.
> The fact that we're favored is pretty meaningless to us," Spurs coach
> Gregg Popovich said.
>
> What Pop neglected to mention was that a majority of those so-called
> contenders reside in the Eastern Conference.
>
> So who exactly was Pop talking about? We'll make that Question 1 as we
> explore the top 10 questions of the upcoming season:
>
> Q: Who but the Spurs might win it all?
>
> A: At first glance, it seemed each of the teams thought to represent
> the top competition in the West had taken a serious hit.
>
> With Phoenix losing three-fifths of its starting five (Amare Stoudemire
> is out four months after microfracture surgery on his knee, and Joe
> Johnson and Quentin Richardson were traded), the team that led the NBA
> last season with 62 victories is a shell of its former self. So there's
> no chance Pop was talking about the Suns, was there?
>
> But aside from the Suns ...
>
> Did Dallas (Michael Finley, Shawn Bradley) and Houston (Bob Sura)
> really lose that much? The Mavericks will have depth (Jerry Stackhouse,
> Marquis Daniels, Keith Van Horn and Devin Harris coming off the bench)
> to match anyone in the conference except the Spurs. Meanwhile, the
> Rockets redid their backcourt, adding Rafer Alston and Derek Anderson,
> and will bring Stromile Swift, David Wesley, Jon Barry and Dikembe
> Mutombo off the bench.
>
> The Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat are everyone's top
> three in the East, but the New Jersey Nets have championship-caliber
> talent and a deeper bench than a year ago, while the Cleveland
> Cavaliers provided enough experienced, complementary pieces (Larry
> Hughes, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones) to LeBron James to at least be
> considered a legitimate contender to break into the East's top four.
>
> Not sure if our list matches Popovich's, but it has to be close.
>
> Q: Where will things go sour first?
>
> A: It's too easy to say Oklahoma City, where the Hornets will struggle
> to win 10 games. That's like saying the Spurs will be good.
>
> But check out central Florida, where things were going south fairly
> precipitously for the Orlando Magic at the end of last season, and it's
> hard to see any way Brian Hill can make a quick fix after the team made
> what amounted to zero significant moves in the offseason.
>
> The Magic play eight of their first 12, and 18 of their first 27, at
> home, and it'll be a long, slow trip through the final four months of
> the season if Steve Francis, Dwight Howard and their supporting cast
> don't start strong.
>
> Q: So Brian Hill is the favorite to be the first coach fired?
>
> A: No. Not when they just brought him back.
>
> The hot seat will belong to Rick Adelman of Sacramento if Mike Bibby
> and Peja Stojakovic's preseason shooting woes presage what's ahead for
> the Kings, who should be the class of a weak division. If they aren't
> in first place a month from now, look for the Maloofs to jettison the
> only coach the franchise has had for seven-plus seasons. They would
> have axed Adelman over the summer if Phil Jackson had been interested.
>
> If Adelman isn't the first to go, it might just be Toronto's Sam
> Mitchell or the Hornets' Byron Scott. The Hornets have already fired
> just about everyone else.
>
> Q: Which teams are being overlooked?
>
> A: In the West, there's been so much speculative talk about the
> possible rise of the Golden State Warriors and Los Angeles Clippers
> that everyone seems to be ignoring the Memphis Grizzlies, whose
> additions of Eddie Jones, Damon Stoudamire and Bobby Jackson bring a
> veteran maturity that was lacking the past two years as the Grizz were
> swept out of the first round. Shane Battier keeps getting better, and
> Pau Gasol was super sharp in the preseason.
>
> "I think we accomplished what we wanted to. The next step for this
> franchise is to get back [to the playoffs], but then to win," coach
> Mike Fratello said.
>
> In the East, plenty of folks are already flip-flopping on their gloomy
> preseason predictions for the Milwaukee Bucks, who now have a big
> lineup playing for a coach who expected to play small ball.
>
> Q: On the flip side, which teams are being overrated?
>
> A: At a time of the year when optimism flows like jump shots from Ricky
> Davis' right hand, it's hard to say anyone is being out-and-out
> overrated.
>
> But expectations might have raised perhaps a little too high in Golden
> State and Denver, while Washington won't have an easy time getting back
> to the second round. New York Knicks fans truly believe Larry Brown can
> get them the eighth seed, but it'll be a long climb out of a deep hole
> if New York's start is as bad as Brown expects.
>
> Q: Which rookies will be difference-makers?
>
> A: No. 1 pick Andrew Bogut won't shoulder the whole load now that
> Jamaal Magloire is aboard in Milwaukee, but that should only help Bogut
> as he learns the NBA ropes.
>
> Joey Graham has made the starting lineup in Toronto, and Charlie
> Villanueva had a strong enough preseason to take some of the heat off
> Raptors GM Rob Babcock for selecting him.
>
> Deron Williams should be the starting point guard in Utah before too
> long.
>
> Chris Paul won't have to wait to take over playmaking duties for the
> Hornets, and Johan Petro of France has won the starting center spot in
> Seattle.
>
> One experienced rookie to keep an eye on is Sarunas Jasikevicius.
> Indiana's coaching staff already considers him to be the team's best
> pure shooter. He was the MVP of the last two Euroleague Final Fours
> with Maccabi Tel Aviv, and Jasikevicius (pronounced
> yah-sa-KEV-uh-chiss) knocked down four 3-pointers against Stephon
> Marbury in the Olympics when Lithuania handed the United States one of
> its three defeats.
>
> Q: What about trades? Any big names going to change teams?
>
> A: Right now, all eyes are on Paul Pierce of the Celtics as Boston
> transitions to a youth movement, but Danny Ainge is having a hard time
> finding a decent offer as opposing GMs try to pull off the type of
> steal Rod Thorn made for New Jersey last year when he acquired Vince
> Carter.
>
> If things start extra slowly in New York, don't be shocked if Larry
> Brown convinces Isiah Thomas to get rid of Marbury. There's deeper
> animosity between the two than either would have the public believe.
>
> Things also aren't going so swimmingly in Portland between Zach
> Randolph and new coach Nate McMillan. The Trail Blazers also would be
> willing to move Ruben Patterson to free up time for Travis Outlaw, and
> Theo Ratliff is being paid too much ($11.7 over this season and the
> next two) to be a backup center. Someone in need of size will be
> willing to take a chance.
>
> Denver would deal Nene Hilario if it got a big man and a shooting guard
> in return, but that'll be hard to pull off with Nene making only $3.04
> million.
>
> Q: What's going on in Week 1 that might ratchet up the interest of
> casual fans?
>
> A: Well, Ron Artest plays in a game that matters for the first time
> since the Palace Brawl when Indiana opens at Orlando on Wednesday, and
> it'll be interesting to see how he responds if the league's referees
> keep Artest on a short leash.
>
> Nuggets-Spurs on opening night could be a preview of the Western
> Conference finals.
>
> Phil and Kobe at Denver is the late game of Wednesday night's
> doubleheader.
>
> Larry Brown's home debut is Friday, as is the first Cavs-Spurs game.
>
> The Bobcats open their new building Saturday, and Sam Cassell goes
> against his former Minnesota teammates on Monday.
>
> Q: What about Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson? Can they coexist after what
> Phil said about Kobe in his book?
>
> A: Both men claim they've put it behind them, though they haven't
> actually had a discussion about what Jackson wrote. And since one of
> the things Jackson wrote was that Bryant is a grudge-holder, this thing
> still has the potential to boil over.
>
> Neither is accustomed to prolonged stretches of losing, and both are
> capable of sending harsh signals to the other through the media.
>
> So the over/under on the date of their first feud is Dec. 22.
>
> Q: Anything else worth mentioning?
>
> A: Yeah, the Pistons are even deeper than they were the past two
> seasons, and maybe most of us -- including the majority of the experts
> at ESPN -- are overlooking or forgetting exactly how formidable they
> were the past two seasons.
>
> Chris Sheridan, a national NBA reporter for the past decade, covers the
> league for ESPN Insider. To e-mail Chris, click here.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:31 am
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the mermaids are a pathetic bunch of weasels that will not repeat
proving once again that their titles have always been a fluke.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:24 am
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Like the Rockette's fluke "Jordan-baseball" titles?


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> the mermaids are a pathetic bunch of weasels that will not repeat
> proving once again that their titles have always been a fluke.
>
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I could see Paul Pierce winding up in Phoenix. I think they're one of
the few teams who aren't going with a youth movement that also has use
for a 2/3 with Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson gone.
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On 2 Dec 2005 16:17:08 -0800, "Foul Weather Fan" <rdebow.TakeThisOut@agl.com.au>
enlightened us:

>I could see Paul Pierce winding up in Phoenix. I think they're one of
>the few teams who aren't going with a youth movement that also has use
>for a 2/3 with Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson gone.

The Suns didn't resign Richardson because they couldn't afford him. No
way can they afford a higher priced Paul Pierce.

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"SkippyPB" <swiegand.RemoveThis@neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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> On 2 Dec 2005 16:17:08 -0800, "Foul Weather Fan" <rdebow.RemoveThis@agl.com.au>
> enlightened us:
>
>>I could see Paul Pierce winding up in Phoenix. I think they're one of
>>the few teams who aren't going with a youth movement that also has use
>>for a 2/3 with Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson gone.
>
> The Suns didn't resign Richardson because they couldn't afford him. No
> way can they afford a higher priced Paul Pierce.

they traded Q. they got rid of and received about equal contract money in
the trade.

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On Sat, 3 Dec 2005 09:36:16 -0800, "Dave McNulla"
<mcnulla DeleteThis @hotmail.com> enlightened us:

>"SkippyPB" <swiegand DeleteThis @neo.rr.NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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>> On 2 Dec 2005 16:17:08 -0800, "Foul Weather Fan" <rdebow DeleteThis @agl.com.au>
>> enlightened us:
>>
>>>I could see Paul Pierce winding up in Phoenix. I think they're one of
>>>the few teams who aren't going with a youth movement that also has use
>>>for a 2/3 with Joe Johnson and Quentin Richardson gone.
>>
>> The Suns didn't resign Richardson because they couldn't afford him. No
>> way can they afford a higher priced Paul Pierce.
>
>they traded Q. they got rid of and received about equal contract money in
>the trade.
>
>dave
>

Not quite and I was a bit wrong as well. The Suns had signed
Richardson to a 37.62+ million contract to last 6 years before the
2004-2005 season. They traded Richardson to the Knicks for Kurt
Thomas who has a 22.07 million 3 year contract. I'd say the Suns not
only got a good player to play inside with Stoudamire once he comes
back, but they also got a lot of cap relief in the process.

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they do it by annual salary, not total salary.
37 million/6 years = 6.2 million/year
22 million/3 years = 7.3 million/year

it doesn't have to be exact equals.

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