Trade Idea...everyone else is doing it...=)

mmasw wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:30:50 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>

>
>
> probably most portland trade ideas would need to go back to the
> drawing board if the blazers draft Durant instead of Oden.

That one workes either way Just changes to JJ, Roy, Durant SF, Marion at PF and Joel as starters
with Aldridge subbing for Marion and Joel.

>
> I think the "scout" in KP definitely says Durant, the GM part of him
> may be undecided but leaning Oden

He looks exhausted and sounds slightly scared. Even going home does not help, his son wants
Durant...Might have been better to get #2...=)

>
> Nate almost certainly is pulling for Oden judging from the 2 news
> conferences.
>
> It may be up to Paul Allen and god help us...he's the one that wanted
> Miles....oh my!

Well...He also wanted Zach over Brendan Haywood...

Most blazer personnel wanted Morrison last year, and the fans in general were lobbying for him...
but Allen had put KP in charge... thankyou Mr Allen...

Saw an interesting article on John Nash and Kobe...

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxM...ZmdiZWw

So we return to the heart-stopping, mind-bending hours leading up to the '96 draft. The Nets had
worked out Bryant three times, and fell madly in love all three times. Calipari and Nets general
manager John Nash dined with Kobe's parents, Joe and Pam, the night before some lucky NBA team would
hire the Bryants' high school wonderchild. Joe and Pam told the Nets' officials they wanted Kobe in
the Meadowlands, close to their suburban Philly home.

Calipari and Nash agreed: They would select Kobe with the eighth pick.

The following day, Bryant's agent, Arn Tellem, informed Nash his client would play in Italy -- where
Kobe spent some formative years watching his father play pro ball -- if the Nets dared to draft him.
The GM knew Tellem must've had a deal in place. Nash knew that Jerry West, then in L.A., thought
Bryant was about as good a young prospect as he'd ever seen.

As it turned out, Tellem and Adidas' Sonny Vaccaro had cooked up a plan to get Bryant to the Lakers
via Charlotte, which was holding the 13th pick. The agent and the sneaker rep knew Kobe would slip
to 13 if the Nets took a pass, and they knew the Los Angeles market would present a zillion more
marketing opportunities than the East Rutherford market.

Vaccaro gave Kobe's father a job, and he had Tellem give the Nets a song and a dance. Nash wanted to
call the bluff, but Calipari was afraid his first move could end up a Same Old Nets disaster. The
coach took the safest available option. He went with Kerry Kittles of Villanova and Charlotte took
Bryant and traded him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

"I get sick every time I think about it," Nash once told me.
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On Jun 23, 4:36 pm, mmasw <j....TakeThisOut@nolegs.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:30:50 -0700, "Terraholm"
>
>
>
> <terraholm_SpamNa....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >To go with the KG to the Suns rumors...
>
> >If Marion would stay in Portland and Suns refuse to give up Amare....
> >===================
> >Suns get KG and perhaps a trophy or 3
>
> >Blazers get Marion, Piatkowski Hassell plus the #29 from the suns
>
> >TWolves get Randolph, Barbosa, Webster, the Suns #24 and
> >a couple of Portland's 2nd round picks this year.
> >Plus the Suns '08 unprotected pick from Atlanta
> >Perhaps a Portland's '08 or '09 1st round protected pick
> >==================
>
> > Suns keep Amare and Minny replace KGs scoring and rebounding at least, Portland keeps the #1, move
> >Zach for an all-star that is now considered a problem in Phoenix, Marion is 3 years older. Portland
> >better balances the team assuming they take Oden and can better develop LMA with the start.
>
> >Might be enough incoming young talent for Minny and they shed one of the bad contracts in Hassell
> >(or Hudson or likely McHale would try for Jaric... either one work instead of Hassell if Portland
> >adds Jones non guaranteed contract...t but Jaric I think KP would baulk at). Minny
>
> >Webster the Wolves can develop more or consider an ending contract, Portland gets stuck 3 years or 4
> >with an overpaid guard. Minny waives Jones and perhaps he comes home for the minimum
>
> >Improves Suns and Blazers immediately and sets the Wolves to a quicker rebuild over keeping KG and
> >having him walk. With the right draft pick and Foye ready they should win more than last year.
>
> >Lineup with Hassell as part of the deal.
>
> >J Jack (Blake maybe)
> >Roy/ Hassell
> >Marion/ Outlaw if re-signed
> >Aldridge/ Marion/ Outlaw
> >Oden/ Joel
>
> >Foye/ Hudson/ Jaric
> >Barbosa/ Hudson/ McCants
> >Davis/ Webster/ Smith
> >Zach/ Howard
> >Blount/ #7 Hawes perhaps
>
> >Both teams look very versatile with most playing 2 or 3 positions.
>
> probably most portland trade ideas would need to go back to the
> drawing board if the blazers draft Durant instead of Oden.
>
> I think the "scout" in KP definitely says Durant, the GM part of him
> may be undecided but leaning Oden
>
> Nate almost certainly is pulling for Oden judging from the 2 news
> conferences.
>
> It may be up to Paul Allen and god help us...he's the one that wanted
> Miles....oh my!

Form the Wolves POV, it's a great trade. I think Barbosa could become
a star, Zack would give them a quality PF to replace KG and Webster
has potential. And of course, the first rounders don't hurt. This
is better than any trade proposal I've heard, again, from the Wolves
POV.

My question is, why would the Suns do it? Barbasa, Marion and the
first rounder is a steep price to pay for KG. While an Amare/KG
frontcourt would be awesome, it's not much of an upgrade from Amare/
Marion, and you lose the best 6th man in basketball, who also happens
to be one of the most explosive players in the NBA.

Maybe the thought process would be that KG would neutralize Duncan,
this giving the best chance of getting past SA.
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ikrushlots DeleteThis @aol.com wrote:
> On Jun 23, 4:36 pm, mmasw <j... DeleteThis @nolegs.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:30:50 -0700, "Terraholm"
>>
>>
>>
>> <terraholm_SpamNa... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>

>> J Jack (Blake maybe)
>> Roy/ Hassell
>> Marion/ Outlaw if re-signed
>> Aldridge/ Marion/ Outlaw
>> Oden/ Joel
>
>> Foye/ Hudson/ Jaric
>> Barbosa/ Hudson/ McCants
>> Davis/ Webster/ Smith
>> Zach/ Howard
>> Blount/ #7 Hawes perhaps

>
> Form the Wolves POV, it's a great trade. I think Barbosa could become
> a star, Zack would give them a quality PF to replace KG and Webster
> has potential. And of course, the first rounders don't hurt. This
> is better than any trade proposal I've heard, again, from the Wolves
> POV.

Well I emailed it to Steve Kerr...I would be surprised if he sees it...

They are still giving up the trades best player. It is good for them long term.
Portland improves on defense.

>
> My question is, why would the Suns do it?

For a championship run

>Barbasa, Marion and the
> first rounder is a steep price to pay for KG.

Taylor's asking price is steep...Marion is threatening to walk anyway and they need to trade him.
He was whining about minutes last year not that Amare is back. So the only real future piece they
give up is Barbosa. The window is going to slam shut on the aging Nash. Have to give up something
from the core to get talent.

> While an Amare/KG
> frontcourt would be awesome, it's not much of an upgrade from Amare/
> Marion,

I think it is...and KG can run the offense in the half court taking some stress off Nash to produce
every play

>and you lose the best 6th man in basketball, who also happens
> to be one of the most explosive players in the NBA.

Got to give up more than spare parts to get a HOF player...

>
> Maybe the thought process would be that KG would neutralize Duncan,
> this giving the best chance of getting past SA.

Exactly...


--
Laurel T
"In my prime I could have handled
Michael Jordan. Of course,
he would be only 12 years old."
Jerry Sloan
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mmasw wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:30:50 -0700, "Terraholm"

>
> It may be up to Paul Allen and god help us...he's the one that wanted
> Miles....oh my!

Right on cue allen answers:

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/118...8278200

Are you leaning one way?

I'm back and forth. Sometimes I like to play devil's advocate, just to make sure everybody is
looking at the other side of the coin. Of course, there are some people, like earlier in the year,
Kevin Pritchard was only talking about Durant, he didn't mention Oden at all. So, I kind of kid him
about that. We would sit at Blazers games and I would ask him who he is watching, and he would say
"Durant. I love Durant." So it's a real interesting decision. I think (Friday's) ) workout made it
even a tougher decision than before.

On Thursday night, when you are all sitting in the draft room, and it goes around the table, and you
say, "I want Player A," and then it gets to Pritchard and he says, "I want Player B," will you allow
him to make that pick? Or will your vote win out?

Well, hopefully we'll reach a consensus as a group. That's the ideal outcome. That you hash this out
every possible different way. Guys are already saying they are bleary-eyed watching every game these
guys played in college. So if you (don't) arrive at that consensus, it wouldn't be appropriate to
overrule anybody.

And I'm trying to think if I have ever overruled anybody in the draft process. I just try to make
sure we are looking at all sides of the questions. And then, the toughest situation as an owner is
if you have two groups in the organization advocating different players -- it's a situation we've
had in the past, and that's very, very tough. That's when it comes down to, for instance one year
got down to the psychological profile of a couple different players ended up being the deciding
factor. I don't think that is going to happen this year.

Has there ever been a situation where you wanted a guy and the team has decided to go with another
guy?

Um, boy. Sometimes I'll have a tingle about a certain player I'm excited about. But the scouts,
these guys eat and breathe this stuff, so their knowledge is deeper than yours. So even though you
have a little bit of a tingle or feel for a player, you should defer to their judgment.

I have a feeling you have a lot of trust with Kevin Pritchard.

Yeah, if you are the owner of a franchise, you look for somebody who has what I call the "golden
gut" --
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On Jun 24, 8:35 am, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> mmasw wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 15:30:50 -0700, "Terraholm"
>
> > It may be up to Paul Allen and god help us...he's the one that wanted
> > Miles....oh my!
>
> Right on cue allen answers:
>
> http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/sports/11...
>
> Are you leaning one way?
>
> I'm back and forth. Sometimes I like to play devil's advocate, just to make sure everybody is
> looking at the other side of the coin. Of course, there are some people, like earlier in the year,
> Kevin Pritchard was only talking about Durant, he didn't mention Oden at all. So, I kind of kid him
> about that. We would sit at Blazers games and I would ask him who he is watching, and he would say
> "Durant. I love Durant." So it's a real interesting decision. I think (Friday's) ) workout made it
> even a tougher decision than before.
>
> On Thursday night, when you are all sitting in the draft room, and it goes around the table, and you
> say, "I want Player A," and then it gets to Pritchard and he says, "I want Player B," will you allow
> him to make that pick? Or will your vote win out?
>
> Well, hopefully we'll reach a consensus as a group. That's the ideal outcome. That you hash this out
> every possible different way. Guys are already saying they are bleary-eyed watching every game these
> guys played in college. So if you (don't) arrive at that consensus, it wouldn't be appropriate to
> overrule anybody.
>
> And I'm trying to think if I have ever overruled anybody in the draft process. I just try to make
> sure we are looking at all sides of the questions. And then, the toughest situation as an owner is
> if you have two groups in the organization advocating different players -- it's a situation we've
> had in the past, and that's very, very tough. That's when it comes down to, for instance one year
> got down to the psychological profile of a couple different players ended up being the deciding
> factor. I don't think that is going to happen this year.
>
> Has there ever been a situation where you wanted a guy and the team has decided to go with another
> guy?
>
> Um, boy. Sometimes I'll have a tingle about a certain player I'm excited about. But the scouts,
> these guys eat and breathe this stuff, so their knowledge is deeper than yours. So even though you
> have a little bit of a tingle or feel for a player, you should defer to their judgment.
>
> I have a feeling you have a lot of trust with Kevin Pritchard.
>
> Yeah, if you are the owner of a franchise, you look for somebody who has what I call the "golden
> gut" --

Cadillac or Ferarri....Both Portland and Seattle are getting franchise
players....

Rizzo
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On Jun 26, 7:43 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
> The more I have read the past couple of days about Marion being unhappy not being the face of the
> suns franchise...the better keeping Zach sounds...
>
> --
> Laurel T
> "Superstar- A player who hears what he
> doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
> want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
> -Unknown

Well there are two sides. He was such a good scorer and then he
deferred for Amare to make the team more balanced. Then Amare got
hurt and so he was asked to be the defensive stopper, the top
rebounder and top scorer. He did all of these very proficiently. Then
Amare returned and he deferred once again while still playing the D
and rebounding...He's done everything they have asked of him at a very
high level. So the team decides to put him on the block very
publicly. I would be pissed too, wouldn't you? He's actually done a
good job of keeping it low key, saying publicly that he wants to stay
in Phx etc...He's a citizen in every sense.

Rizzo
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Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Jun 26, 7:43 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> The more I have read the past couple of days about Marion being
>> unhappy not being the face of the suns franchise...the better
>> keeping Zach sounds...
>>
>> --
>> Laurel T
>> "Superstar- A player who hears what he
>> doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
>> want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
>> -Unknown
>
> Well there are two sides. He was such a good scorer and then he
> deferred for Amare to make the team more balanced. Then Amare got
> hurt and so he was asked to be the defensive stopper, the top
> rebounder and top scorer. He did all of these very proficiently. Then
> Amare returned and he deferred once again while still playing the D
> and rebounding...He's done everything they have asked of him at a very
> high level. So the team decides to put him on the block very
> publicly. I would be pissed too, wouldn't you?

IIRC He told them he was going to opt out next year.

> He's actually done a
> good job of keeping it low key, saying publicly that he wants to stay
> in Phx etc...He's a citizen in every sense.

Not in the locker room is the story...

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kevin-garnett-rumors-expose-shawn-ma...n-s-iss

CNNSI's Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix's chemistry issues:

Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of the most statistically
productive players in the league over the last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is
looking to make a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns' locker room has filtered through the
league since Phoenix's second-round ouster. If you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general
manager called him "the worst locker room lawyer in the league"), those problems can only be
attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.

Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on Phoenix's bench. He wrote a book,
0:7 Seconds or Less, on his experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and
Shawn Marion:

It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd was The Man, then Stephon
Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004. There
have always been other Hamlets, while Marion has been consigned to the role of Rosencrantz or
Guildenstern. Worse, Stoudmire before his injury, seemed to have settled into Second Man status
behind Nash, leaving Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star reserve, Marion
said, "Ever since I've been in Phoenix, I tried to make myself the face of the Suns on and off the
court. That's what it's all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and D'Antoni are the
dual faces, and whenever Marion's face appears, Stoudmire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy.
He appreciates Nash and gets along with him, but doesn't feel the same about Stoudemire.

"Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion. "What people forget is that I had to
adjust my game to different people. I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are
different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now. Don't overlook that.

"The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think that's wrong." That is obviously
directed towards Stoudemire.
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On Jun 26, 9:59 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 7:43 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> The more I have read the past couple of days about Marion being
> >> unhappy not being the face of the suns franchise...the better
> >> keeping Zach sounds...
>
> >> --
> >> Laurel T
> >> "Superstar- A player who hears what he
> >> doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
> >> want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
> >> -Unknown
>
> > Well there are two sides. He was such a good scorer and then he
> > deferred for Amare to make the team more balanced. Then Amare got
> > hurt and so he was asked to be the defensive stopper, the top
> > rebounder and top scorer. He did all of these very proficiently. Then
> > Amare returned and he deferred once again while still playing the D
> > and rebounding...He's done everything they have asked of him at a very
> > high level. So the team decides to put him on the block very
> > publicly. I would be pissed too, wouldn't you?
>
> IIRC He told them he was going to opt out next year.
>
> > He's actually done a
> > good job of keeping it low key, saying publicly that he wants to stay
> > in Phx etc...He's a citizen in every sense.
>
> Not in the locker room is the story...
>
> http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kevin-garnett-rumors-expose-shawn-m...
>
> CNNSI's Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix's chemistry issues:
>
> Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of the most statistically
> productive players in the league over the last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is
> looking to make a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns' locker room has filtered through the
> league since Phoenix's second-round ouster. If you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general
> manager called him "the worst locker room lawyer in the league"), those problems can only be
> attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
>
> Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on Phoenix's bench. He wrote a book,
> 0:7 Seconds or Less, on his experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and
> Shawn Marion:
>
> It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd was The Man, then Stephon
> Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004. There
> have always been other Hamlets, while Marion has been consigned to the role of Rosencrantz or
> Guildenstern. Worse, Stoudmire before his injury, seemed to have settled into Second Man status
> behind Nash, leaving Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star reserve, Marion
> said, "Ever since I've been in Phoenix, I tried to make myself the face of the Suns on and off the
> court. That's what it's all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and D'Antoni are the
> dual faces, and whenever Marion's face appears, Stoudmire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy.
> He appreciates Nash and gets along with him, but doesn't feel the same about Stoudemire.
>
> "Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion. "What people forget is that I had to
> adjust my game to different people. I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are
> different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now. Don't overlook that.
>
> "The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think that's wrong." That is obviously
> directed towards Stoudemire.

I don't have a problem with a great player having an ego. I don't
agree with the writer's interpretation of what he said in the last
line. I believe he was directing at himself and guys like Dwight
Howard, Tim Duncan, etc. And in a team sport, you don't always have
tight friendships with everyone. Doesn't mean you are hurting the
team. Check the 2002 Giants, 1972-74 A's, 1975 Warriors (nobody loved
Barry) etc.

Rizzo
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Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Jun 26, 9:59 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On Jun 26, 7:43 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> The more I have read the past couple of days about Marion being
>>>> unhappy not being the face of the suns franchise...the better
>>>> keeping Zach sounds...
>>
>>>> --
>>>> Laurel T
>>>> "Superstar- A player who hears what he
>>>> doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
>>>> want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
>>>> -Unknown
>>
>>> Well there are two sides. He was such a good scorer and then he
>>> deferred for Amare to make the team more balanced. Then Amare got
>>> hurt and so he was asked to be the defensive stopper, the top
>>> rebounder and top scorer. He did all of these very proficiently.
>>> Then Amare returned and he deferred once again while still playing
>>> the D and rebounding...He's done everything they have asked of him
>>> at a very high level. So the team decides to put him on the block
>>> very publicly. I would be pissed too, wouldn't you?
>>
>> IIRC He told them he was going to opt out next year.
>>
>>> He's actually done a
>>> good job of keeping it low key, saying publicly that he wants to
>>> stay in Phx etc...He's a citizen in every sense.
>>
>> Not in the locker room is the story...
>>
>> http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kevin-garnett-rumors-expose-shawn-m...
>>
>> CNNSI's Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix's chemistry issues:
>>
>> Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of
>> the most statistically productive players in the league over the
>> last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is looking to make
>> a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns' locker room has
>> filtered through the league since Phoenix's second-round ouster. If
>> you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general manager called him
>> "the worst locker room lawyer in the league"), those problems can
>> only be attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
>>
>> Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on
>> Phoenix's bench. He wrote a book, 0:7 Seconds or Less, on his
>> experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and
>> Shawn Marion:
>>
>> It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd
>> was The Man, then Stephon Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The
>> Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004. There have always
>> been other Hamlets, while Marion has been consigned to the role of
>> Rosencrantz or Guildenstern. Worse, Stoudmire before his injury,
>> seemed to have settled into Second Man status behind Nash, leaving
>> Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star
>> reserve, Marion said, "Ever since I've been in Phoenix, I tried to
>> make myself the face of the Suns on and off the court. That's what
>> it's all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and
>> D'Antoni are the dual faces, and whenever Marion's face appears,
>> Stoudmire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy. He appreciates
>> Nash and gets along with him, but doesn't feel the same about
>> Stoudemire.
>>
>> "Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion. "What
>> people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people. I
>> had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are
>> different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now.
>> Don't overlook that.
>>
>> "The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think
>> that's wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.
>
> I don't have a problem with a great player having an ego.

Properly channeled. Players can be too unselfish, but their teammates love playing with them..

> I don't
> agree with the writer's interpretation of what he said in the last
> line. I believe he was directing at himself and guys like Dwight
> Howard, Tim Duncan, etc.


The writer was with the team a year and the line is in context with the rest of the quote about the
suns.

> And in a team sport, you don't always have
> tight friendships with everyone. Doesn't mean you are hurting the
> team. Check the 2002 Giants, 1972-74 A's, 1975 Warriors (nobody loved
> Barry) etc.

Sure. But I assume the suns are being hurt by it, that it why they are shopping him.


--
Laurel T
"There are really only two plays; Romeo and Juliet,
and put the darn ball in the basket."
- Abe Lemons
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On Jun 27, 12:40 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 9:59 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> >>> On Jun 26, 7:43 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> The more I have read the past couple of days about Marion being
> >>>> unhappy not being the face of the suns franchise...the better
> >>>> keeping Zach sounds...
>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Laurel T
> >>>> "Superstar- A player who hears what he
> >>>> doesn't want to hear, sees what he doesn't
> >>>> want to see, and does what he doesn't want to do"
> >>>> -Unknown
>
> >>> Well there are two sides. He was such a good scorer and then he
> >>> deferred for Amare to make the team more balanced. Then Amare got
> >>> hurt and so he was asked to be the defensive stopper, the top
> >>> rebounder and top scorer. He did all of these very proficiently.
> >>> Then Amare returned and he deferred once again while still playing
> >>> the D and rebounding...He's done everything they have asked of him
> >>> at a very high level. So the team decides to put him on the block
> >>> very publicly. I would be pissed too, wouldn't you?
>
> >> IIRC He told them he was going to opt out next year.
>
> >>> He's actually done a
> >>> good job of keeping it low key, saying publicly that he wants to
> >>> stay in Phx etc...He's a citizen in every sense.
>
> >> Not in the locker room is the story...
>
> >>http://www.hoopsvibe.com/nba-blog/kevin-garnett-rumors-expose-shawn-m...
>
> >> CNNSI's Chris Mannix reports on Phoenix's chemistry issues:
>
> >> Which brings us back to Marion. While the Matrix has been one of
> >> the most statistically productive players in the league over the
> >> last five years, it has become clear that Phoenix is looking to make
> >> a change. Word of chemistry issues in the Suns' locker room has
> >> filtered through the league since Phoenix's second-round ouster. If
> >> you discount seldom-used Jalen Rose (one general manager called him
> >> "the worst locker room lawyer in the league"), those problems can
> >> only be attributed to Marion and Amaré Stoudemire.
>
> >> Jack McCallum, another CNNSI writer, spent the 2005-2006 season on
> >> Phoenix's bench. He wrote a book, 0:7 Seconds or Less, on his
> >> experiences. And McCallum addresses the issues between the Suns and
> >> Shawn Marion:
>
> >> It hurts him that he has never been The Man in Phoenix. Jason Kidd
> >> was The Man, then Stephon Marbury was The Man, then Nash became The
> >> Man the moment he showed up in the summer of 2004. There have always
> >> been other Hamlets, while Marion has been consigned to the role of
> >> Rosencrantz or Guildenstern. Worse, Stoudmire before his injury,
> >> seemed to have settled into Second Man status behind Nash, leaving
> >> Marion as the Third Wheel. After he was selected as an All-Star
> >> reserve, Marion said, "Ever since I've been in Phoenix, I tried to
> >> make myself the face of the Suns on and off the court. That's what
> >> it's all about." But he is not the face of the Suns. Nash and
> >> D'Antoni are the dual faces, and whenever Marion's face appears,
> >> Stoudmire is likely to, also. That drives him crazy. He appreciates
> >> Nash and gets along with him, but doesn't feel the same about
> >> Stoudemire.
>
> >> "Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion. "What
> >> people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people. I
> >> had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are
> >> different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now.
> >> Don't overlook that.
>
> >> "The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think
> >> that's wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.
>
> > I don't have a problem with a great player having an ego.
>
> Properly channeled. Players can be too unselfish, but their teammates love playing with them..
>
> > I don't
> > agree with the writer's interpretation of what he said in the last
> > line. I believe he was directing at himself and guys like Dwight
> > Howard, Tim Duncan, etc.
>
> The writer was with the team a year and the line is in context with the rest of the quote about the
> suns.
>
> > And in a team sport, you don't always have
> > tight friendships with everyone. Doesn't mean you are hurting the
> > team. Check the 2002 Giants, 1972-74 A's, 1975 Warriors (nobody loved
> > Barry) etc.
>
> Sure. But I assume the suns are being hurt by it, that it why they are shopping him.
>
They may be shopping Stoudamire too. Marion is solid...Also, because
the interpretaion is in line with his subject , doesn't mean that the
quote he was using was in context....

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Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Jun 27, 12:40 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>

>>>> "Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion. "What
>>>> people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people.
>>>> I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are
>>>> different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now.
>>>> Don't overlook that.
>>>> "The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think
>>>> that's wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.
>>

>>
> They may be shopping Stoudamire too. Marion is solid...Also, because
> the interpretaion is in line with his subject , doesn't mean that the
> quote he was using was in context....

It is all one quote.
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On Jun 27, 8:57 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Frank Rizzo wrote:
> > On Jun 27, 12:40 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
> >>>> "Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion. "What
> >>>> people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different people.
> >>>> I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them are
> >>>> different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit now.
> >>>> Don't overlook that.
> >>>> "The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I think
> >>>> that's wrong." That is obviously directed towards Stoudemire.
>
> > They may be shopping Stoudamire too. Marion is solid...Also, because
> > the interpretaion is in line with his subject , doesn't mean that the
> > quote he was using was in context....
>
> It is all one quote.

He didn't direct his quote about judging players on points alone at
Stoudamire, that was the writer's interpretation....That's what I was
saying.
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Frank Rizzo wrote:
> On Jun 27, 8:57 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Frank Rizzo wrote:
>>> On Jun 27, 12:40 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....DeleteThis@hotmail.com>
>>>>>> "Around here it's Steve this and Amare' that," says Marion.
>>>>>> "What people forget is that I had to adjust my game to different
>>>>>> people. I had J-Kidd. I had Steph. Now I have Steve. All of them
>>>>>> are different. I made the adjustments. You got to give me credit
>>>>>> now. Don't overlook that.
>>>>>> "The other thing is, people judge players on points. And I
>>>>>> think that's wrong." That is obviously directed towards
>>>>>> Stoudemire.
>>
>>> They may be shopping Stoudamire too. Marion is solid...Also, because
>>> the interpretaion is in line with his subject , doesn't mean that
>>> the quote he was using was in context....
>>
>> It is all one quote.
>
> He didn't direct his quote about judging players on points alone at
> Stoudamire, that was the writer's interpretation....That's what I was
> saying.

It was all about why he was not getting the star status of the suns he deserves...that he was
refering to the top scorer of the suns seems, as the aurthor notes, obvious.

I hear the book is a good read, I think I will order it.


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