Travis is signed, bye bye Ime?

On Jul 18, 2:46 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:
> swillab... RemoveThis @gmail.com wrote:
> > Unless there is another trade coming,
>
> Or a Miles buy out.
>

Be still my heart...


> >it looks like Ime is gone. Too
> > bad as he really played his heart out for us last season, but if he
> > can't stay I wish him well with his next team (except against us, of
> > course).
>
> Rumored to be the spurs to back up Bowen...
>

That would sure be nice for Ime.


>
>
> > As for our team, we are looking pretty exciting although there will be
> > some growing pains to deal with. The fact that we could be watching a
> > return to perennial PO contention should make it easier to accept the
> > occassional brain fades. I'm looking forward to the upcoming season
> > with far more anticipation than I can remember for a loooooong time.
>
> We thought last years team was young...this year the likely veteran starter may be Outlaw...
>

It's good to be young when you're building though, imagine how long
this group could play together.

Go Blazers !
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swillabrew DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 18, 2:46 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> swillab... DeleteThis @gmail.com wrote:
>>> Unless there is another trade coming,
>>
>> Or a Miles buy out.
>>
>
> Be still my heart...

I would actually prefer giving Miles another shot in this "new culture" and Nate holding all the
cards and with Zach gone...if sitting out a season and knowing he needs to rehabilitate his image
has him working at that he is their best SF once he plays into shape....then perhaps they could get
some value playing him or be able to trade him or give him away to GSW or the Sonics holding those
big trade exceptions. Can always buy him out later if that does not work.

Buy out Raef's contract instead of Miles longer one. Still comes off the cap for '09. Perhaps he
would like to take less and go somewhere he could get playing time...


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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> swillabrew.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 2:46 pm, "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNa....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> swillab....RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Unless there is another trade coming,
>>>
>>> Or a Miles buy out.
>>>
>>
>> Be still my heart...
>
> I would actually prefer giving Miles another shot in this "new culture"
> and Nate holding all the cards and with Zach gone...if sitting out a
> season and knowing he needs to rehabilitate his image has him working at
> that he is their best SF once he plays into shape....then perhaps they
> could get some value playing him or be able to trade him or give him away
> to GSW or the Sonics holding those big trade exceptions. Can always buy
> him out later if that does not work.
>

If Miles were to come back & somehow start living up to his flashes of
potential, I would seriously be looking for 4 horseman to come riding out of
the clouds. : ) Not that I would mind, of course, & I would be the first
to step up & admit he proved me wrong. Hell, I'd even start doing the head
bonk thing when he scored.

> Buy out Raef's contract instead of Miles longer one. Still comes off the
> cap for '09. Perhaps he would like to take less and go somewhere he could
> get playing time...
>

Raef becoming valuable seems even more of a long shot than Miles, but as
long as we're hoping for miracles...

Go Blazers !
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IIRC buying out a contract only makes sense if the player signs as a
FA somewhere else. If you want to dream, dream of him coming back as a
star player, or taking a medical retirement.
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dunlop212 wrote:
> IIRC buying out a contract only makes sense if the player signs as a
> FA somewhere else.

Not even then in most cases.

If you want to dream, dream of him coming back as a
> star player, or taking a medical retirement.

You have been reading Canzano's fanatasy blog too much... ;-)

Miles can not 'take' a medical retirement.

They have to prove he will not be able to play again after he applies for retirement. And players
come back from surgeries so that is not going to happen.

For the contract to come off the cap on a medical retirement, a league-appointed physician
agreed on by the NBA and NBPA has to state he would not be able to play again
for a year. It is hard to even get a disabled player exception.

The cap relief has to be reapplied for each year. If they waived his rights to free up a roster
spot and he played more than 10 games for any other team, it goes back on the cap.

However... until he is ready to play the league's insurance is paying 80% of his salary since he
missed over half a season.


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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:44:20 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNata_.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

yeah...portland has a better chance of getting the 1st pick in 2008
then of getting a medical retirement on Miles.

Kp and even Nate I think have said Miles is "busting his butt" to get
back in shape. Maybe he's found some maturity and maybe KP's culture
would give Miles a good atitude. Portland's kind of trapped so seeing
if Miles can return to form might be their only hope of getting rid of
his contract by 2009. Besides, if the rest of the team sees him
"busting his butt" then they may expect him to get an opportunity. I'm
sure all of them have considered what would happen if they were
seriously injured.

The suns traded Kurt Thomas and 2 1st round picks to Seattle...for a
"conditional 2nd round pick....wow!

But that points out that portland's cap space plan may be more about
offering a trade exception to a potential trading partner then chasing
a FA. KP and Penn seem to be trading wizards anyway. (although the
contracts of Blake and Outlaw suggest they ain't to shabby about FA
negotiation either)

hiya by the way...just spent 2 weeks on vacation. I'm amazed the
blazers were able to get anything done without me!
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mmasw wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:44:20 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_SpamNata_.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> yeah...portland has a better chance of getting the 1st pick in 2008
> then of getting a medical retirement on Miles.

Except in Canzano's dreamland.

>
> Kp and even Nate I think have said Miles is "busting his butt" to get
> back in shape. Maybe he's found some maturity and maybe KP's culture
> would give Miles a good atitude. Portland's kind of trapped so seeing
> if Miles can return to form might be their only hope of getting rid of
> his contract by 2009. Besides, if the rest of the team sees him
> "busting his butt" then they may expect him to get an opportunity. I'm
> sure all of them have considered what would happen if they were
> seriously injured.
>
> The suns traded Kurt Thomas and 2 1st round picks to Seattle...for a
> "conditional 2nd round pick....wow!

Swapped half of Seattle's the trade exception...Now the suns have 8 mil there and 3 mil from Jones.
11 million in trade exceptions... might help snag KG except for the lack of picks now, They could
trade for him with matching contracts and then make a seconfd trade of Jaric or Hutson for a 2nd
rounder for Minny to dump a bad contract....but I think they the suns really just wanted to dump the
payroll.

>
> But that points out that portland's cap space plan may be more about
> offering a trade exception to a potential trading partner then chasing
> a FA. KP and Penn seem to be trading wizards anyway. (although the
> contracts of Blake and Outlaw suggest they ain't to shabby about FA
> negotiation either)

Nicely stayed under the tax limit and kept the plan to be a max contract under the cap in '09.

>
> hiya by the way...just spent 2 weeks on vacation. I'm amazed the
> blazers were able to get anything done without me!

Me too!


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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:16:36 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>mmasw wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:44:20 -0700, "Terraholm"
>> <terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> yeah...portland has a better chance of getting the 1st pick in 2008
>> then of getting a medical retirement on Miles.
>
>Except in Canzano's dreamland.
>
>>
>> Kp and even Nate I think have said Miles is "busting his butt" to get
>> back in shape. Maybe he's found some maturity and maybe KP's culture
>> would give Miles a good atitude. Portland's kind of trapped so seeing
>> if Miles can return to form might be their only hope of getting rid of
>> his contract by 2009. Besides, if the rest of the team sees him
>> "busting his butt" then they may expect him to get an opportunity. I'm
>> sure all of them have considered what would happen if they were
>> seriously injured.
>>
>> The suns traded Kurt Thomas and 2 1st round picks to Seattle...for a
>> "conditional 2nd round pick....wow!
>
>Swapped half of Seattle's the trade exception...Now the suns have 8 mil there and 3 mil from Jones.
>11 million in trade exceptions... might help snag KG except for the lack of picks now, They could
>trade for him with matching contracts and then make a seconfd trade of Jaric or Hutson for a 2nd
>rounder for Minny to dump a bad contract....but I think they the suns really just wanted to dump the
>payroll.

are you sure about that?? far be it from me to dispute you on
anything....but I was under the impression as far as the seattle trade
that phoenix can't use an exception created in a trade with a 1st
exception for anything but a FA.

and I guess that would apply to the Jones exception as well

maybe I'm wrong on that when i think about it a bit, but it's
conceivable this exception could float around the league for years
otherwise, from one team to another.
>>
>> But that points out that portland's cap space plan may be more about
>> offering a trade exception to a potential trading partner then chasing
>> a FA. KP and Penn seem to be trading wizards anyway. (although the
>> contracts of Blake and Outlaw suggest they ain't to shabby about FA
>> negotiation either)
>
>Nicely stayed under the tax limit and kept the plan to be a max contract under the cap in '09.
>
>>
>> hiya by the way...just spent 2 weeks on vacation. I'm amazed the
>> blazers were able to get anything done without me!
>
>Me too!
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mmasw wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:16:36 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_SpamNata_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> mmasw wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 22:44:20 -0700, "Terraholm"
>>> <terraholm_SpamNata_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah...portland has a better chance of getting the 1st pick in 2008
>>> then of getting a medical retirement on Miles.
>>
>> Except in Canzano's dreamland.
>>
>>>
>>> Kp and even Nate I think have said Miles is "busting his butt" to
>>> get back in shape. Maybe he's found some maturity and maybe KP's
>>> culture would give Miles a good atitude. Portland's kind of trapped
>>> so seeing if Miles can return to form might be their only hope of
>>> getting rid of his contract by 2009. Besides, if the rest of the
>>> team sees him "busting his butt" then they may expect him to get an
>>> opportunity. I'm sure all of them have considered what would happen
>>> if they were seriously injured.
>>>
>>> The suns traded Kurt Thomas and 2 1st round picks to Seattle...for a
>>> "conditional 2nd round pick....wow!
>>
>> Swapped half of Seattle's the trade exception...Now the suns have 8
>> mil there and 3 mil from Jones. 11 million in trade exceptions...
>> might help snag KG except for the lack of picks now, They could
>> trade for him with matching contracts and then make a seconfd trade
>> of Jaric or Hutson for a 2nd rounder for Minny to dump a bad
>> contract....but I think they the suns really just wanted to dump the
>> payroll.
>
> are you sure about that?? far be it from me to dispute you on
> anything....but I was under the impression as far as the seattle trade
> that phoenix can't use an exception created in a trade with a 1st
> exception for anything but a FA.

Traded player exceptions can not be used for a free agent. They can basically only be used to
receive one signed player and not send anything back except a pick. If it is not all used the
balance can be used for another player.
But I worded it poorly, Seattle does not swap the exception, it just works out that way. Seattle can
absorb Thomas' contract with part of their trade exception from the Lewis sign and trade, Lewis for
a 'conditional, future 2nd round pick" (can it be less than that?)...
Any way... now the completion of this non-simultaneous Lewis trade has Thomas to the Seattle and the
Suns giving up 9 million more than they got back. So they now have a traded player exception which
if they use will still officially be working as part of the Lewis trade....

Sonics still have about 6 mil from that trade and The Warriors have a 10 mil TP Exception from
Richardson for the first round pick.

>
> and I guess that would apply to the Jones exception as well
>
> maybe I'm wrong on that when i think about it a bit, but it's
> conceivable this exception could float around the league for years
> otherwise, from one team to another.

Sooner or later it gets divided up and/or some team does not use after a yea it expires.. Only so
many players being given away that anyone wants...

>>>
>>> But that points out that portland's cap space plan may be more about
>>> offering a trade exception to a potential trading partner then
>>> chasing a FA. KP and Penn seem to be trading wizards anyway.
>>> (although the contracts of Blake and Outlaw suggest they ain't to
>>> shabby about FA negotiation either)
>>
>> Nicely stayed under the tax limit and kept the plan to be a max
>> contract under the cap in '09.

According to Jaynes they will be about 5 mil over the tax line, I had not added it up lately. Anyone
care if Paul Allen loses about 7 million next season paying 5 mil tax and from not getting the
Knicks 2 mil?? I thought not...=)


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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:59:44 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNata_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:


>>
>> are you sure about that?? far be it from me to dispute you on
>> anything....but I was under the impression as far as the seattle trade
>> that phoenix can't use an exception created in a trade with a 1st
>> exception for anything but a FA.
>
>Traded player exceptions can not be used for a free agent. They can basically only be used to
>receive one signed player and not send anything back except a pick. If it is not all used the
>balance can be used for another player.
>But I worded it poorly, Seattle does not swap the exception, it just works out that way. Seattle can
>absorb Thomas' contract with part of their trade exception from the Lewis sign and trade, Lewis for
>a 'conditional, future 2nd round pick" (can it be less than that?)...
>Any way... now the completion of this non-simultaneous Lewis trade has Thomas to the Seattle and the
>Suns giving up 9 million more than they got back. So they now have a traded player exception which
>if they use will still officially be working as part of the Lewis trade....
>
>Sonics still have about 6 mil from that trade and The Warriors have a 10 mil TP Exception from
>Richardson for the first round pick.
>
yeah....I actually went to a couple of sites and read about the
exceptions...which is a bit pathetic I guess.

In essence...a TPE never "leaves" the team. A new trading partner
trading with a team having an existing TPE can structure a trade so
that a NEW TPE is created for themselves. That's what happened here.

IMO, the "action" this off-season with TPE's is actually the indicator
of what KP is angling for with his cap space plan for 2009. The FA
market is not dependable and often so competitive that FA's are
grossly overpaid....see Lewis and Kapono. As other teams see how
effective a TPE is for leveraging trades OR (maybe more importantly)
dumping salary, teams with cap space become an even more desirable
trading partner. So if portland has 15-20 million dollars in cap space
and several decent players under rookie scale contracts, you have to
believe that KP and Tom Penn could really work some magic via the
trade route. I believe the FA market is secondary to their real
"plan".
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mmasw wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:59:44 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> are you sure about that?? far be it from me to dispute you on
>>> anything....but I was under the impression as far as the seattle
>>> trade that phoenix can't use an exception created in a trade with a
>>> 1st exception for anything but a FA.
>>
>> Traded player exceptions can not be used for a free agent. They can
>> basically only be used to receive one signed player and not send
>> anything back except a pick. If it is not all used the balance can
>> be used for another player.
>> But I worded it poorly, Seattle does not swap the exception, it just
>> works out that way. Seattle can absorb Thomas' contract with part of
>> their trade exception from the Lewis sign and trade, Lewis for a
>> 'conditional, future 2nd round pick" (can it be less than that?)...
>> Any way... now the completion of this non-simultaneous Lewis trade
>> has Thomas to the Seattle and the Suns giving up 9 million more than
>> they got back. So they now have a traded player exception which if
>> they use will still officially be working as part of the Lewis
>> trade....
>>
>> Sonics still have about 6 mil from that trade and The Warriors have
>> a 10 mil TP Exception from Richardson for the first round pick.
>>
> yeah....I actually went to a couple of sites and read about the
> exceptions...which is a bit pathetic I guess.
>
> In essence...a TPE never "leaves" the team. A new trading partner
> trading with a team having an existing TPE can structure a trade so
> that a NEW TPE is created for themselves. That's what happened here.
>
> IMO, the "action" this off-season with TPE's is actually the indicator
> of what KP is angling for with his cap space plan for 2009. The FA
> market is not dependable and often so competitive that FA's are
> grossly overpaid....see Lewis and Kapono. As other teams see how
> effective a TPE is for leveraging trades OR (maybe more importantly)
> dumping salary, teams with cap space become an even more desirable
> trading partner. So if portland has 15-20 million dollars in cap space
> and several decent players under rookie scale contracts, you have to
> believe that KP and Tom Penn could really work some magic via the
> trade route. I believe the FA market is secondary to their real
> "plan".

I think what Jaynes and canzano (who is so dumb he thinks A. Chris Paul will be a restricted free
agent instead of getting an extension and B. that is the Blazers target and C. that the Blazers can
make an offer the Hornets would be unwilling to match...) and everyone getting excited about dumping
a lot of salary is forgetting is they will need room to stay out of tax land while handing out max
and near max contracts on 3 of their own players extensions. Would they really be looking to add a
max free agent?
The other thing is I think they feel McRoberts may be more than an Early Bird/MLE level player in 2
years and they might have to get under the cap to match even with the "Arenas" rule.


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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:35 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>mmasw wrote:

>>
>> IMO, the "action" this off-season with TPE's is actually the indicator
>> of what KP is angling for with his cap space plan for 2009. The FA
>> market is not dependable and often so competitive that FA's are
>> grossly overpaid....see Lewis and Kapono. As other teams see how
>> effective a TPE is for leveraging trades OR (maybe more importantly)
>> dumping salary, teams with cap space become an even more desirable
>> trading partner. So if portland has 15-20 million dollars in cap space
>> and several decent players under rookie scale contracts, you have to
>> believe that KP and Tom Penn could really work some magic via the
>> trade route. I believe the FA market is secondary to their real
>> "plan".
>
>I think what Jaynes and canzano (who is so dumb he thinks A. Chris Paul will be a restricted free
>agent instead of getting an extension and B. that is the Blazers target and C. that the Blazers can
>make an offer the Hornets would be unwilling to match...) and everyone getting excited about dumping
>a lot of salary is forgetting is they will need room to stay out of tax land while handing out max
>and near max contracts on 3 of their own players extensions. Would they really be looking to add a
>max free agent?
>The other thing is I think they feel McRoberts may be more than an Early Bird/MLE level player in 2
>years and they might have to get under the cap to match even with the "Arenas" rule.


all true. (although I'm not sure about McRoberts....he might be a 6'10
Luke Walton which would be nice)

If you project ahead 4 or 5 years and assume that Oden is a max-level
and Roy and Aldridge are real close, then portland could have nearly
38-42 million tied up in those 3 guys alone.

Add 7 million for Frye and say 10 million for Jones and
sergio...wow...55 million for 6 guys. And of course, there's Blake and
Outlaw (although I'd bet one of them might very well be gone in 2009),
and Fernandez and Jack...it does add up.

Since I first got an inkling that KP was shooting for cap space I've
thought it was for trading...and as you point out, salary planning.
FA's are just too damn expensive (at least good ones are...and some
bad ones too) Although I'm still kind of amazed that Blake and Outlaw
agreed to the contracts they did.

And I doubt that the blazers are thinking they would trade for an
all-star , but rather a good role player or shooter. Maybe an all-star
though, if portland could find a trading partner as desperate in 2
years as the Suns are now.

July 2009 is certainly shaping up to be an interesting time, isn't it?

by the way...Presti is putting on an interesting show in Seattle

&

how about the Official Scandal?

the NFL has Vick
Baseball has steroid-enhanced Bonds closing on Aaron
and so naturally the NBA wanted to join the circus
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mmasw wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:31:35 -0700, "Terraholm"
> <terraholm_SpamNata_ DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> mmasw wrote:
>

>> getting excited about dumping a lot of salary is forgetting is they
>> will need room to stay out of tax land while handing out max and
>> near max contracts on 3 of their own players extensions. Would they
>> really be looking to add a max free agent?
>> The other thing is I think they feel McRoberts may be more than an
>> Early Bird/MLE level player in 2 years and they might have to get
>> under the cap to match even with the "Arenas" rule.
>
>
> all true. (although I'm not sure about McRoberts....he might be a 6'10
> Luke Walton which would be nice)

I think they might feel there is that posibility and need to be prepared... handing out a 2 year
guaranteed contract to a second round pick was unusual.

>
> If you project ahead 4 or 5 years and assume that Oden is a max-level

Even Oden's qualifing offer (if he was to be a RFA in '11) is almost 9 million...

> and Roy and Aldridge are real close, then portland could have nearly
> 38-42 million tied up in those 3 guys alone.
>
> Add 7 million for Frye and say 10 million for Jones and
> sergio...wow...55 million for 6 guys. And of course, there's Blake and
> Outlaw (although I'd bet one of them might very well be gone in 2009),
> and Fernandez and Jack...it does add up.
>
> Since I first got an inkling that KP was shooting for cap space I've
> thought it was for trading...and as you point out, salary planning.
> FA's are just too damn expensive (at least good ones are...and some
> bad ones too) Although I'm still kind of amazed that Blake and Outlaw
> agreed to the contracts they did.

Was a buyers market this year past the first couple of FAs. Hardly any teams were shopping and most
were looking at paying double. Even with those reasonable contracts the Blazers are over tax level
so Blake will cost 7.4 million.

>
> And I doubt that the blazers are thinking they would trade for an
> all-star , but rather a good role player or shooter. Maybe an all-star
> though, if portland could find a trading partner as desperate in 2
> years as the Suns are now.

Suns are not desperate, just smart on the tax "hard cap".

Thomas ending contract. He played 18 min per game last year and this year would have cost
them 18 million. The Blazers deal this year they sold the draft pick for 3 mil. Did not have to pay
the rookie
contract plus tax, gave the players Jones on their traded player exception 3 mil plus 3 mil in tax
saved.
So saved 8 plus got 3 mil cash, saved 18 mil on thomas... 30 million starts looking like real
money...

One more move to dump about 3 mil and get under the tax line and they save 6 and get back a couple
more.
Suns basically use a 7 player rotation all season anyway and are not likely to play rookies.


>
> July 2009 is certainly shaping up to be an interesting time, isn't it?
>
> by the way...Presti is putting on an interesting show in Seattle

Yes and yes...

>
> &
>
> how about the Official Scandal?

Too bad. Turns out the guy's off court behavior make's 'Sheed's side of parking garage story look
likely.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2007/07/22/2007-07-22_rog...ref_may

>
> the NFL has Vick
> Baseball has steroid-enhanced Bonds closing on Aaron
> and so naturally the NBA wanted to join the circus

Some one in the official's forum (mostly HS and college refs) said Denahy has a new job refing at
Vick's dog fights...


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