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Since: Aug 28, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:35 pm
Post subject: UT's Loss to UTA Archived from groups: rec>sport>basketball>women (more info?)
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I wonder if UT's ranking will slip due to that loss to UTA. Here are some
observations regarding the Lady Vols
1) They really need a true point guard because Zolman is not the answer.
2) Ely has an inside game but seems to be a bit undersized for her role.
3) Loree Moore seems to be trying too hard thinking that she has to pick up
the slack.
4) Ashley Robinson is underachiving.
5) Pat Summit's offensive scheme seems to be antiquated and that is why GG's
UConn has their number the last few times they have played. GG must be
licking his chops for Feb 5.
I must admit that I don't follow the Lady Vols that closely but for those of
you who do, any comments? >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Aug 26, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:47 pm
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Subject: UT's Loss to UTA
From: "cb" <A HREF="mailto:cb@hotmail.com">cb@hotmail.com</A>
Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003 12:35 PM
Message-id: <VBZHb.11279$Yf1.6255@news.cpqcorp.net>
I wonder if UT's ranking will slip due to that loss to UTA. Here are some
observations regarding the Lady Vols
1) They really need a true point guard because Zolman is not the answer.
2) Ely has an inside game but seems to be a bit undersized for her role.
3) Loree Moore seems to be trying too hard thinking that she has to pick up
the slack.
4) Ashley Robinson is underachiving.
5) Pat Summit's offensive scheme seems to be antiquated and that is why GG's
UConn has their number the last few times they have played. GG must be
licking his chops for Feb 5.
I must admit that I don't follow the Lady Vols that closely but for those of
you who do, any comments?>>
I'll not quibble with your subjective assessments, like whether Ely is
undersized at 6'2" or whether Moore is trying too hard, but some of what you
said is just factually wrong.
#1) Shanna Zolman is the 2-guard, not the primary PG.
#4. Ashley Robinson, who has struggled with catastrophic injury most of her
career at Tennessee, is NOT underachieving. She leads the SEC in blocked shots.
Opposing coaches think she is one of the best post defenders they have ever
seen, and her offense is finally starting to catch up to her defense. She is
getting better with every game, played heroically against Texas, but could not
carry the whole team. Why do you think the Texas post players had so many TOs
and fouls? Jody Conradt said it was because of Robinson. Here's a quote from
the News Sentinel:
"In the end, Tennessee center Ashley Robinson was a rather lonely figure with
a team-high of 15 points and nine rebounds. Her defense was responsible for
several of Texas' numerous traveling violations.
" ' This is a different Ashley Robinson than we have seen," Conradt said. "She
was intimidating inside." >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Aug 28, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:02 pm
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Thanks for the corrections but some of what I said still hold.
I may have mispoken about Zolman but whoever is supposed to be playing PG is
not a true PG and they really need a lot of help in that area.
Regarding Ely, I was not talking about her height but her bulk. She seems
undersize and "soft" to me and when you play a physical team like Texas, she
became ineffective.
Robinson did have a good game against Texas and perhaps like you were
saying, the injuries have really caused the missed expectations. I know she
did play good D against Powell of Stanford.
You had no comment on what I perceive to be the "antiquated' offense Pat
Summit is running.
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> Subject: UT's Loss to UTA
> From: "cb" <A HREF="mailto:cb@hotmail.com">cb@hotmail.com</A>
> Date: Mon, Dec 29, 2003 12:35 PM
> Message-id: <VBZHb.11279$Yf1.6255@news.cpqcorp.net>
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> I wonder if UT's ranking will slip due to that loss to UTA. Here are some
> observations regarding the Lady Vols
>
> 1) They really need a true point guard because Zolman is not the answer.
>
> 2) Ely has an inside game but seems to be a bit undersized for her role.
>
> 3) Loree Moore seems to be trying too hard thinking that she has to pick
up
> the slack.
>
> 4) Ashley Robinson is underachiving.
>
> 5) Pat Summit's offensive scheme seems to be antiquated and that is why
GG's
> UConn has their number the last few times they have played. GG must be
> licking his chops for Feb 5.
>
> I must admit that I don't follow the Lady Vols that closely but for those
of
> you who do, any comments?>>
>
> I'll not quibble with your subjective assessments, like whether Ely is
> undersized at 6'2" or whether Moore is trying too hard, but some of what
you
> said is just factually wrong.
> #1) Shanna Zolman is the 2-guard, not the primary PG.
> #4. Ashley Robinson, who has struggled with catastrophic injury most of
her
> career at Tennessee, is NOT underachieving. She leads the SEC in blocked
shots.
> Opposing coaches think she is one of the best post defenders they have
ever
> seen, and her offense is finally starting to catch up to her defense. She
is
> getting better with every game, played heroically against Texas, but
could not
> carry the whole team. Why do you think the Texas post players had so many
TOs
> and fouls? Jody Conradt said it was because of Robinson. Here's a quote
from
> the News Sentinel:
> "In the end, Tennessee center Ashley Robinson was a rather lonely figure
with
> a team-high of 15 points and nine rebounds. Her defense was responsible
for
> several of Texas' numerous traveling violations.
> " ' This is a different Ashley Robinson than we have seen," Conradt said.
"She
> was intimidating inside." >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Aug 26, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 1:54 am
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Robinson did have a good game against Texas and perhaps like you were
saying, the injuries have really caused the missed expectations. >>>
DUH
"Perhaps" ?? Would an ACL that required three different surgeries slow you
down, Superman???
You had no comment on what I perceive to be the "antiquated' offense Pat
Summit is running.>> That is your opinion. I told you I'd only take you on on
your factual problems. And you are WAY out of line on Robinson. >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Aug 26, 2003 Posts: 27
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:05 am
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In article <7df22$3ff0d9bd$44a50e79$3873@msgid.meganewsservers.com>,
Jim Burke <jburke1.TakeThisOut@covad.REMOVEnet> wrote:
> There is nothing wrong with the offensive scheme. The problem is in the
> execution. Too many players are standing around looking at each other
> instead of moving to make the play. It is still "relatively" early in the
> season, and they are playing a different offense than last year. With that
> said, they should be farther along than they currently are.
I thought last season was the first one with the new "motion" offense
borrowed from Harry Paretta at Villanova. ??? Is TN trying something
new since that?
-WG >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Aug 26, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 12:48 pm
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I thought last season was the first one with the new "motion" offense
borrowed from Harry Paretta at Villanova. ??? Is TN trying something
new since that?
-WG>>
Yeah, it's been tweaked to suit the personnel. They've gone back the triple
post O of the Holdsclaw era, with a few modifications, I think. Sometimes it's
worked like a charm. Sunday it didn't. Probably says more about the quality of
the opponent's defense than the LVs offensive execution to date. It was a very
loosely-called game -- only 15 fouls whistled on Tx, 16 on Tn -- and it was a
very physical game. Texas is for real, btw. >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Dec 23, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 2:59 pm
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On 30 Dec 2003 12:48:37 GMT, bbeanster.DeleteThis@aol.com (Bbeanster) wrote:
>I thought last season was the first one with the new "motion" offense
>borrowed from Harry Paretta at Villanova. ??? Is TN trying something
>new since that?
>
>-WG>>
>Yeah, it's been tweaked to suit the personnel. They've gone back the triple
>post O of the Holdsclaw era, with a few modifications, I think. Sometimes it's
>worked like a charm. Sunday it didn't. Probably says more about the quality of
>the opponent's defense than the LVs offensive execution to date. It was a very
>loosely-called game -- only 15 fouls whistled on Tx, 16 on Tn -- and it was a
>very physical game. Texas is for real, btw.
I think the UT loss to Texas was due more to the fact that Texas is a
very good team this year than to any problems that UT is having..
They're the only team to beat Duke so far.
Greg >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Aug 26, 2003 Posts: 17
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:15 pm
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On 30 Dec 2003 12:48:37 GMT, bbeanster DeleteThis @aol.com (Bbeanster) wrote:
>I thought last season was the first one with the new "motion" offense
>borrowed from Harry Paretta at Villanova. ??? Is TN trying something
>new since that?
>
>-WG>>
>Yeah, it's been tweaked to suit the personnel. They've gone back the triple
>post O of the Holdsclaw era, with a few modifications, I think. Sometimes it's
>worked like a charm. Sunday it didn't. Probably says more about the quality of
>the opponent's defense than the LVs offensive execution to date. It was a very
>loosely-called game -- only 15 fouls whistled on Tx, 16 on Tn -- and it was a
>very physical game. Texas is for real, btw.
I think the UT loss to Texas was due more to the fact that Texas is a
very good team this year than to any problems that UT is having..
They're the only team to beat Duke so far.
Greg>.
Ummm -- I *think* that's what I said? Or meant to, anyhow. <<<Probably says
more about the quality of
>the opponent's defense than the LVs offensive execution to date. >>>
When I refered to "the opponent," I meant the 'Horns. And what I MEANT was
Texas played the best defense the LVs have seen (or, please God, are likely to
see) this year -- and it's not like we've been playing Pepperdine and Siena.
:-) >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Dec 07, 2003 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 4:17 pm
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>>"And what I MEANT was Texas played the best defense the LVs have seen
(or, please God, are likely to see) this year -- and it's not like we've
been playing Pepperdine and Siena."
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I couldn't agree more!!!
jburke >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Dec 07, 2003 Posts: 4
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:46 pm
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I'm certainly not trying to take anything away from Texas. I mean, they
were a final four team last year (and really should have beaten UConn!!!).
Coach Conradt has her girls ready for the long haul!
--
Jim Burke
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> On 30 Dec 2003 12:48:37 GMT, bbeanster DeleteThis @aol.com (Bbeanster) wrote:
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> >I thought last season was the first one with the new "motion" offense
> >borrowed from Harry Paretta at Villanova. ??? Is TN trying something
> >new since that?
> >
> >-WG>>
> >Yeah, it's been tweaked to suit the personnel. They've gone back the
triple
> >post O of the Holdsclaw era, with a few modifications, I think. Sometimes
it's
> >worked like a charm. Sunday it didn't. Probably says more about the
quality of
> >the opponent's defense than the LVs offensive execution to date. It was a
very
> >loosely-called game -- only 15 fouls whistled on Tx, 16 on Tn -- and it
was a
> >very physical game. Texas is for real, btw.
>
> I think the UT loss to Texas was due more to the fact that Texas is a
> very good team this year than to any problems that UT is having..
> They're the only team to beat Duke so far.
>
> Greg >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Dec 23, 2003 Posts: 9
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 5:24 pm
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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 17:46:11 -0600, "Jim Burke"
<jburke1.RemoveThis@covad.REMOVEnet> wrote:
>I'm certainly not trying to take anything away from Texas. I mean, they
>were a final four team last year (and really should have beaten UConn!!!).
>Coach Conradt has her girls ready for the long haul!
Should have..... almost as sad as "if only".
Greg >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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Since: Jun 22, 2003 Posts: 68
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 7:24 pm
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Since: Dec 09, 2003 Posts: 11
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:58 am
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Yes everyone knew starting this season that they would not be that
good.But people hang on to your hat's for next 4 or 5 yrs.Most of these
girls now will be on the bench and the real team will be there for a few
years to come and everyone will hav e to deal with Pat once more.The
women's best recruiting class in the history of women's baskball.Four of
the top 10 players in america and the top woman player whohas aalready
ducked the ball in high school..So this group of women are ok but not
great but watch out on down the road.PAT WILL BE BACK. >> Stay informed about: UT's Loss to UTA |
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