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Noah

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:04 pm
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For all we talk about Kevin McHale, he just accomplished exactly what
we wanted the Knicks to.

He got rid of $22.5M in garbage contracts going until 2011 (Walker,
Jaric, and Buckner) while only having to take back one garbage
contract ($6.5M for Cardinal), which only goes to 2010.

Cap space galore for a team that was strapped for 2010, with the only
real sacrifice being giving up the opportunity to see if Mayo is going
to be a team guy (doubt it).

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:59 pm
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Noah wrote:
> For all we talk about Kevin McHale, he just accomplished exactly what
> we wanted the Knicks to.
>
> He got rid of $22.5M in garbage contracts going until 2011 (Walker,
> Jaric, and Buckner) while only having to take back one garbage
> contract ($6.5M for Cardinal), which only goes to 2010.
>
> Cap space galore for a team that was strapped for 2010, with the only
> real sacrifice being giving up the opportunity to see if Mayo is going
> to be a team guy (doubt it).

If only the Knicks had the foresight to draft 3rd... And I don't mean
that in a sarcastic way -- I was damn pissed when they won those 3
straight games in April...

=p=

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Noah

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:46 pm
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On Jun 29, 9:52 pm, "Capn'O" <dan.zin... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 28, 6:36 pm, Noah <dontsendmeyers... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't wish to compare them with us. Their management sucks on its
> own terms.

But they just quietly succeeded at doing what we're begging ours to do
-- take out the trash.

Now they not only have to pay mega millions to guys like Marko Jaric
and Antoine Walker, but they got some decent players back (except for
one) who all expire in 2010 and a top draft pick as well in Kevin
Love. So I'm not sure how bad theirs sucks at the moment. I'd be
pretty damn happy if ours did that.

I find it hard to believe that a Knicks fan such as yourself would
believe that the better move would have been to keep a roster littered
with garbage and bad deals together in order to explore someone's
"potential" (in this case, Mayo).

> > > They needed
> > > a guy who could shoot the 3 and create next to Jefferson...
>
> > ...which they got in the trade in the form of Mike Miller.
>
> Miller's a nice player but I think Mayo will be better... and a better
> player to grow with Jefferson.

Minnesota's loaded with youngsters. A semi-vet like Miller will
probably help to balance things, and if your argument was that they
needed outside shooting, I can't think of too many better available
candidates than Miller.

> He could be cantankerous but he isn't
> supposed to have the clear mental struggles that Marbury had entering
> the league.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1507635/posts

> I guess this argument hinges on your opinion of Mayo. If
> he turns out to be a headcase then McHale turns out ok. If he turns
> out to be a star with no really character issues... big oops.

My point is that Mayo's a gamble. There's lots of hype right now but
there's no way to see how he'll pan out as an NBA player and a
defender. When you raise the stakes of that gamble to whether or not
you're going to have to pay scrubs like Jaric and Walker $20-30M in
order to try Mayo out, I'm not sure it's a really sensible decision.
Sure, he could work out great and you'll forever have to eat it. On
the other hand, if he doesn't work out, then where are you until
2011? With Jefferson, Miller, Love, Foye, and others in the lineup
Minny won't be that bad...and they are trying to rebuild right now as
opposed to contend immediately.

> Cleveland can't get him what he needs. They proved that this season
> and they're pretty strapped for what they can do in the future.

They went to the finals last year and took the eventual champs this
year to 7. Taking the BW contract was dumb, but I don't see them as
being so far out of the running that a team with almost nothing on it
looks better to LeBron.

> If
> there's a team with a better foundation and management out there that
> can sign him outright I think he'll go there. Particularly near the NY
> market. Sadly, Jersey is WAY WAY out in front in this pursuit.

Again, it remains to be seen what Jersey does with their cap space.
Right now they've got exactly ONE player under contract for 2010 --
Vince Carter at $17M. So the potential is there, but what is done
with it is anyone's guess.

> Imo they have what Boston had a year ago. A number of prospects some
> of whom could work out and some of whom prolly won't...

Again, they've got one player and that's it. Let's see if they keep
Harris, if they keep Yi, etc...again, I don't see the Nets (who should
be the Brooklyn Nets by that point) as a lock for LJ.

> but if they
> play their cards right they'll be able to move them for a top player
> and then lure LeBron (or the other way around) with that.

Whole lotta speculation in that statement to be throwing around
statements that basically say it's a done deal.

> They're WAY
> closer to that goal than we are...

Yeah, but that says nothing. Is anyone farther?

> and than any other realistic
> destination (big market) for him is.

Not so sure he needs a big market. You're talking about a guy who
Nike paid $110M to before he'd played a single game for the Cleveland
Cavaliers. He's going to get his endorsement money even if he plays
for the Memphis Grizzlies.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:39 pm
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Capn'O:

> They're WAY closer to that goal than we are

Right. And who do they have for scouting?

DG
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