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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 2:45 pm
Post subject: Zach Trade Scenarios
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It's hard to keep track of all those floated, although it's easier
when you narrow it down to realistic ones.
While I'm not quite like swillabrew who would be willing to trade zach
for 3 dozen prostate exams, a pack of tinfoil gum, and a haircut by a
cheese grater...I wouldn't mind seeing him moved
I'm just not sure it will happen though...I think most other GM's have
evaluated him like I have.....too big a contract for too poor a
player. But maybe KP can pull another rabbit out of the hat.
The 2 prominent "trades" have zach somehow being exchanged for either
R Lewis or R Jefferson. Lewis would be a better fit for the
blazers....he's much more of a 3-point threat....but it seems unlikely
that he could be had for zach. For one thing, there's nobody yet in
Seattle to talk trade with.Then there's the issue of trading within
the division...who wants to lose a bunch because of the heroics of a
player you dumped. And I don't think Seattle is interested in zach. I
suppose KP might work out something by getting a 3rd team involved,
but I don't think that's likely.
zach for Jefferson maybe a bit more possible. But Jefferson is a
"slasher" and not that great from outside. He's also been injured a
lot in the last 3 years.....kind of scary. Plus, I doubt the Nets
would talk trade till they resolve the vince carter/jason kidd
isuues...and that may take awhile.
Zach to the Bulls seems to come up often....mostly for Nocioni and PJ
Brown. I assume that works salary-wise. I'm not sure Nocioni is the SF
the blazers have in mind. I seriously doubt that Scott Skiles wants
anything to do with zach....maybe the loss to the pistons may make
them consider it.
I've read of a golden state "trade" where portland gets Ellis, a
russian, adonal foyle (ugh) and the 18th pick. I have a hard time
believing the blazers would do this
I'm thinking that any possible trades with the celtics are out as I
would assume Ainge views KP much like a restaurant owner views tony
soprano.
In other words, I'm guessing moving zach may be difficult...especially
this summer, andeven more especially before the draft.
However KP keeps talking like somebody with something up his sleeve so
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 3:55 pm
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On May 24, 2:45 pm, mmasw <j....DeleteThis@nolegs.com> wrote:
> While I'm not quite like swillabrew who would be willing to trade zach
> for 3 dozen prostate exams, a pack of tinfoil gum, and a haircut by a
> cheese grater...I wouldn't mind seeing him moved
>
Only if I can designate who's on the receiving end of the exams. : )
> zach for Jefferson maybe a bit more possible. But Jefferson is a
> "slasher" and not that great from outside. He's also been injured a
> lot in the last 3 years.....kind of scary. Plus, I doubt the Nets
> would talk trade till they resolve the vince carter/jason kidd
> isuues...and that may take awhile.
>
2 of the past 3 seasons, he played 78 games in 05-06 season, but only
33 the year before & 58 this past season.
> Zach to the Bulls seems to come up often....mostly for Nocioni and PJ
> Brown. I assume that works salary-wise. I'm not sure Nocioni is the SF
> the blazers have in mind. I seriously doubt that Scott Skiles wants
> anything to do with zach....maybe the loss to the pistons may make
> them consider it.
>
I could live with this, but it's not extremely appealing.
> I've read of a golden state "trade" where portland gets Ellis, a
> russian, adonal foyle (ugh) and the 18th pick. I have a hard time
> believing the blazers would do this
>
Their only true Ruskie is Sarunas, but they do have a Yugo & a Latvian
(not Dr. Doom). Foyle is a deal killer for me based solely personal
disgust, & his dwindling playing time is a more tangible factor to
consider.
> I'm thinking that any possible trades with the celtics are out as I
> would assume Ainge views KP much like a restaurant owner views tony
> soprano.
>
Unless we get Pierce I'm not interested.
> In other words, I'm guessing moving zach may be difficult...especially
> this summer, andeven more especially before the draft.
>
Maybe Darius will take him to Hollywood with him to make it big in the
movies? Hey, I can dream during the off-season, can't I?
> However KP keeps talking like somebody with something up his sleeve so
> who knows.
Please, please, please...
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 4:17 pm
Post subject: Re: Zach Trade Scenarios [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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mmasw wrote:
> It's hard to keep track of all those floated, although it's easier
> when you narrow it down to realistic ones.
>
> While I'm not quite like swillabrew who would be willing to trade zach
> for 3 dozen prostate exams, a pack of tinfoil gum, and a haircut by a
> cheese grater...I wouldn't mind seeing him moved
>
> I'm just not sure it will happen though...I think most other GM's have
> evaluated him like I have.....too big a contract for too poor a
> player. But maybe KP can pull another rabbit out of the hat.
>
> The 2 prominent "trades" have zach somehow being exchanged for either
> R Lewis or R Jefferson. Lewis would be a better fit for the
> blazers....he's much more of a 3-point threat....but it seems unlikely
> that he could be had for zach. For one thing, there's nobody yet in
> Seattle to talk trade with.Then there's the issue of trading within
> the division...who wants to lose a bunch because of the heroics of a
> player you dumped. And I don't think Seattle is interested in zach. I
> suppose KP might work out something by getting a 3rd team involved,
> but I don't think that's likely.
I think since the sonics are in a 'something or nothing' postion with Lewis KP will try to get him
without sending Zach. (Zach combined with Allen and Durant or Oden does not help Portland)
Something like Pryzbilla, Seattle favorite son Webster and Jones' non-guaranteed contract...
perhaps a future lottery protected pick.... would have the sonics a lot better off than Lewis
walking and only about 8.5 mil in salary retained.
Trouble with this particular speculation is that Joel has a trade kicker. I do not know how much it
is (assume the full 15%) but with looking at lack of PT in Portland he should be willing to waive
the portion needed to make it work. Portland could add 3 mil cash to cover part of it.
>
> zach for Jefferson maybe a bit more possible. But Jefferson is a
> "slasher" and not that great from outside. He's also been injured a
> lot in the last 3 years.....kind of scary. Plus, I doubt the Nets
> would talk trade till they resolve the vince carter/jason kidd
> isuues...and that may take awhile.
Carter says he wants to stay so I doubt they trade Kidd.
>
> Zach to the Bulls seems to come up often....mostly for Nocioni and PJ
> Brown. I assume that works salary-wise.
Pretty much
> I'm not sure Nocioni is the SF
> the blazers have in mind. I seriously doubt that Scott Skiles wants
> anything to do with zach....maybe the loss to the pistons may make
> them consider it.
I do not see KP wanting less than Deng and the Bulls are not that dumb is my take. Perhaps Noce and
Thabo and PJ to make it work. (And get Victor back)...
>
> I've read of a golden state "trade" where portland gets Ellis, a
> russian, adonal foyle (ugh) and the 18th pick. I have a hard time
> believing the blazers would do this
co-sign
>
> I'm thinking that any possible trades with the celtics are out as I
> would assume Ainge views KP much like a restaurant owner views tony
> soprano.
Unless Pierce demands a trade. Ainge might get the best offer from Portland.
>
> In other words, I'm guessing moving Zach may be difficult...especially
> this summer, andeven more especially before the draft.
Oh I think it might get done this summer, unless they can get Lewis and keep Zach. My preferred
scenario
>
> However KP keeps talking like somebody with something up his sleeve so
> who knows.
Not the reported trades that usually come off. Maybe Billups... ;-)
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Laurel T
"It's another one of those things that sort of
gurgles up from the basketball Babylon,"
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 5:17 pm
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:17:29 -0700, "Terraholm"
<terraholm_SpamNata_.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>mmasw wrote:
>> It's hard to keep track of all those floated, although it's easier
>> when you narrow it down to realistic ones.
>>
>> While I'm not quite like swillabrew who would be willing to trade zach
>> for 3 dozen prostate exams, a pack of tinfoil gum, and a haircut by a
>> cheese grater...I wouldn't mind seeing him moved
>>
>> I'm just not sure it will happen though...I think most other GM's have
>> evaluated him like I have.....too big a contract for too poor a
>> player. But maybe KP can pull another rabbit out of the hat.
>>
>> The 2 prominent "trades" have zach somehow being exchanged for either
>> R Lewis or R Jefferson. Lewis would be a better fit for the
>> blazers....he's much more of a 3-point threat....but it seems unlikely
>> that he could be had for zach. For one thing, there's nobody yet in
>> Seattle to talk trade with.Then there's the issue of trading within
>> the division...who wants to lose a bunch because of the heroics of a
>> player you dumped. And I don't think Seattle is interested in zach. I
>> suppose KP might work out something by getting a 3rd team involved,
>> but I don't think that's likely.
>
>I think since the sonics are in a 'something or nothing' postion with Lewis KP will try to get him
>without sending Zach. (Zach combined with Allen and Durant or Oden does not help Portland)
>Something like Pryzbilla, Seattle favorite son Webster and Jones' non-guaranteed contract...
>perhaps a future lottery protected pick.... would have the sonics a lot better off than Lewis
>walking and only about 8.5 mil in salary retained.
>Trouble with this particular speculation is that Joel has a trade kicker. I do not know how much it
>is (assume the full 15%) but with looking at lack of PT in Portland he should be willing to waive
>the portion needed to make it work. Portland could add 3 mil cash to cover part of it.
well that sounds rather complex....is there anybody home in the sonics
front office that could understand that trade?
>>
>> zach for Jefferson maybe a bit more possible. But Jefferson is a
>> "slasher" and not that great from outside. He's also been injured a
>> lot in the last 3 years.....kind of scary. Plus, I doubt the Nets
>> would talk trade till they resolve the vince carter/jason kidd
>> isuues...and that may take awhile.
>
>Carter says he wants to stay so I doubt they trade Kidd.
if that's true then that may be a destination for ye old zbo.
Jefferson's a good player (with those injury issues) but he isn't much
of an outside shooter...something the blazers could use more then a
slasher.
>
>>
>> Zach to the Bulls seems to come up often....mostly for Nocioni and PJ
>> Brown. I assume that works salary-wise.
>
>Pretty much
>
>> I'm not sure Nocioni is the SF
>> the blazers have in mind. I seriously doubt that Scott Skiles wants
>> anything to do with zach....maybe the loss to the pistons may make
>> them consider it.
>
>I do not see KP wanting less than Deng and the Bulls are not that dumb is my take. Perhaps Noce and
>Thabo and PJ to make it work. (And get Victor back)...
without Deng...and that won't happen...this would then simply be a
trade to dump zach.
>
>>
>> I've read of a golden state "trade" where portland gets Ellis, a
>> russian, adonal foyle (ugh) and the 18th pick. I have a hard time
>> believing the blazers would do this
>
>co-sign
>
>>
>> I'm thinking that any possible trades with the celtics are out as I
>> would assume Ainge views KP much like a restaurant owner views tony
>> soprano.
>
>Unless Pierce demands a trade. Ainge might get the best offer from Portland.
it's hard to believe Pierce is just 29....seems like he's been around
forever. I wonder how much he has left in the tank
>
>>
>> In other words, I'm guessing moving Zach may be difficult...especially
>> this summer, andeven more especially before the draft.
>
>Oh I think it might get done this summer, unless they can get Lewis and keep Zach. My preferred
>scenario
even though joel's minutes are slated to get real thin if (ha!)
portland drafts oden, he'd still be a good player to have on the
roster as sparring partner for Oden. He does seem a bit injury prone
though. The other 2 you mentioned wouldn't be missed I don't think
although the blazers seem a bit thin at the 2.
keeping zach but still getting lewis would probably make swillabrew's
eyes cross permanently
>
>>
>> However KP keeps talking like somebody with something up his sleeve so
>> who knows.
>
>Not the reported trades that usually come off. Maybe Billups... ;-)
LOL...well that would be nice but it ain't likely unless he's got a
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu May 24, 2007 6:01 pm
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mmasw wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:17:29 -0700, "Terraholm"
>> I think since the sonics are in a 'something or nothing' postion
>> with Lewis KP will try to get him without sending Zach. (Zach
>> combined with Allen and Durant or Oden does not help Portland)
>> Something like Pryzbilla, Seattle favorite son Webster and Jones'
>> non-guaranteed contract... perhaps a future lottery protected
>> pick.... would have the sonics a lot better off than Lewis walking
>> and only about 8.5 mil in salary retained.
>> Trouble with this particular speculation is that Joel has a trade
>> kicker. I do not know how much it is (assume the full 15%) but with
>> looking at lack of PT in Portland he should be willing to waive the
>> portion needed to make it work. Portland could add 3 mil cash to
>> cover part of it.
>
> well that sounds rather complex....is there anybody home in the sonics
> front office that could understand that trade?
They should now that Wally is gone... I wrote it without looking up anything...they have no GM right
now however...
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>>> zach for Jefferson maybe a bit more possible. But Jefferson is a
>>> "slasher" and not that great from outside. He's also been injured a
>>> lot in the last 3 years.....kind of scary. Plus, I doubt the Nets
>>> would talk trade till they resolve the vince carter/jason kidd
>>> isuues...and that may take awhile.
>>
>> Carter says he wants to stay so I doubt they trade Kidd.
>
> if that's true then that may be a destination for ye old zbo.
> Jefferson's a good player (with those injury issues) but he isn't much
> of an outside shooter...something the blazers could use more then a
> slasher.
>>
>>>
>>> Zach to the Bulls seems to come up often....mostly for Nocioni and
>> I do not see KP wanting less than Deng and the Bulls are not that
>> dumb is my take. Perhaps Noce and Thabo and PJ to make it work. (And
>> get Victor back)...
>
> without Deng...and that won't happen...this would then simply be a
> trade to dump zach.
Agreed.
>>
>>>
>>> I've read of a golden state "trade" where portland gets Ellis, a
>>> russian, adonal foyle (ugh) and the 18th pick. I have a hard time
>>> believing the blazers would do this
>>
>> co-sign
>>
>>>
>>> I'm thinking that any possible trades with the celtics are out as I
>>> would assume Ainge views KP much like a restaurant owner views tony
>>> soprano.
>>
>> Unless Pierce demands a trade. Ainge might get the best offer from
>> Portland.
>
> it's hard to believe Pierce is just 29....seems like he's been around
> forever. I wonder how much he has left in the tank
>>
>>>
>>> In other words, I'm guessing moving Zach may be
>>> difficult...especially this summer, andeven more especially before
>>> the draft.
>>
>> Oh I think it might get done this summer, unless they can get Lewis
>> and keep Zach. My preferred scenario
>
> even though joel's minutes are slated to get real thin if (ha!)
> portland drafts oden, he'd still be a good player to have on the
> roster as sparring partner for Oden. He does seem a bit injury prone
> though. The other 2 you mentioned wouldn't be missed I don't think
> although the blazers seem a bit thin at the 2.
Back to the Bulls you might get Gorden who has been scoring 22 off the bench and PJ Brown re-signed
with some tweaking. That might be the most likely player from the bulls side... Not sure that KP
would consider it enough.
>
> keeping zach but still getting lewis would probably make swillabrew's
> eyes cross permanently
Oh well... the trade off is Canzano can not start working on running someone Swill likes out of
town...
>>>
>>> However KP keeps talking like somebody with something up his sleeve
>>> so who knows.
>>
>> Not the reported trades that usually come off. Maybe Billups... ;-)
>
> LOL...well that would be nice but it ain't likely unless he's got a
> secret desire for a lilly-white town with much rainfall
He is from Denver and not like the Detroit has fine weather. He has been talking about the Bucks and
their young talent, not exactly a fair weather town but they are under the cap a nice sunny max
contract. So I do not consider it total fantasy.
So a sign and trade to Portland might not look bad to him if the Pistons do not offer max. No one
including me thought they would let Ben walk with a take it or leave it offer. On the other hand Ben
is a different player and looking ahead to having to re-signing Billups may be just why they let Ben
walk.
The trade could include swapping Cincinnati chubby PFs...
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All saying the same thing: that he's the most valuable
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 5:41 am
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I have not seen a mention of this yet, but why isn't Joel Pbz the guy
to move? Is his trade value that much lower than ZR's? I sure don't
see the PF log jam everyone else sees. For the two bigs you have 96
minutes to fill (and the likelihood of injuries), and a rotation of
Oden/Randolph/LMA reminds me a lot of the last really good Blazer year
of Sabonis/Grant/Wallace. Like Wallace, LMA comes off the bench and
can play either position. In other words, LMA and ZR are much more
complimentary than Oden and JP. Think about the last minute of a close
game, with the ability to flip ZR and Oden on each TO depending on who
has the ball.
Another way to look at it, is that if you move ZR, his minutes are not
going to go away, they are basically going to JP and Outlaw.
I know all the negatives about ZR, but you would have the core of
three young star players (Oden/LMA/Roy) along with a post scorer who
requires a double team. Even with journeymen at PG and SF, that could
be a combination that could go deep in the playoffs. I know KP is
going to be a trading fool during the off season, but wonder if other
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri May 25, 2007 3:12 pm
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dunlop212 wrote:
> Good points. A team that builds around ZR is a losing team. But a team
> without a guy that demands a double team down low is probably a loser,
> too. Some of the teams interested in ZR, like Chicago, see him as the
> "missing piece." Portland might end up feeling that way after trading
> him.
>
> It is also likely that Oden develops into a monster force on offense.
> Ewing did, Olajuwon did. Neither of those guys needed a complimentary
> post scorer.
>And Oden has more up side than either of those guys.
That might be a stretch...I see him more to DRob, who did need a low post scorer to get hinm a ring.
But he has not yet played a game, I would not have him better than those HOF players just yet...Oden
may dominate more, but because the good centers are pretty sparse now.
We
> really don't know what kind of offensive player he is; all we have is
> one season in college playing with a bad hand.
Personally I think they should give it a chance with Zach. Can always trade him later if he does
not blend with Oden, or id Oden needs a couple of seasons to work on offense.
Meantime I think you keep a veteran that will help them get back to the playoffs sooner than
dropping to a baby team, even if they get a veteran SF.
>And yes, I don't see
> any way in the world Portland drafts Durant.
That is only assuring to me if your name is Kevin Pritchard...=)
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