congrats celtics fans...

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On Jun 18, 2:07 pm, theBZA <dewey3kNOS....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> mcnois <mcn....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote innews:8eef4dd5-7f5b-4950-a59f-03eb4ff2a16c@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:
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> > On Jun 18, 12:09 pm, d....TakeThisOut@soda.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU (D. Gerasimatos)
> > wrote:
> >> In article <Xns9AC168B8AC82Ddewey3kNOSPAMgmai....TakeThisOut@130.133.1.4>,
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> >> theBZA <dewey3kNOS....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> >This made me think about how long players have been with teams. It's
> >> >amazing actually. Most of the Celtic players came to the team this
> >> >year. Not counting rookies, they have 7 players on their final 15
> >> >man roster who were acquired this year. Add in the 2 rookies and
> >> >that's more than 50% of the roster. Even counting Derek Fisher, the
> >> >Lakers only have 5 non-rookies in their first year on the team, and
> >> >two of them were acquired in mid-season trades necessitated by the
> >> >Bynum injury.
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> >> Yes, Boston was a team of "team-first" (ha!) mercenaries. Pierce
> >> really went through a lot over there, but everyone else was there was
> >> their own personal glory.
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> >> >I'm not making a judgement here - but I am wondering how Celtic fans
> >> >feel about their team.
>
> >> I already asked that question in this group and got some honest
> >> responses.
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> >> I, too, don't really feel like this was a case of a team working hard
> >> and finally breaking through. Boston was in the lottery last year.
> >> How can you really feel appreciation for what they accomplished when,
> >> for instance, I watched Sam Cassell play all season long for the
> >> Clippers.
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> > Exactly because we were watching a "team" working hard and breaking
> > through. The process began 5 season ago when new ownership came in and
> > gave the keys to Ainge, who hired Rivers. They all believed in Paul
> > Pierce as the cornerstone of a championship team. It's been a very
> > satisfying process to watch.
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> It isn't a process when you buy 7 new players in the off-season. It
> doesn't change the fact that they won the title, but stop fooling
> yourself that this was some kind of battle-tested team that came through
> years of perseverance to finally win it all. It's a team of hired guns
> that pulled it off.
>
I know this isn't going to make sense to you. But whether it took 1
year, 4 years or 14 years or 24 years, doesn't change the fact that I
root for the Boston Celtics.

External Since: Aug 20, 2006 Posts: 788

mcnois <mcnois.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> On Jun 18, 10:17 am, theBZA <dewey3kNOS....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> HS <h.shiva....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in news:e0b1ea37-039d-4180-87c7-
>> 24439d994....TakeThisOut@a9g2000prl.googlegroups.com:
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>> > On Jun 18, 8:53 am, "Skeptic" <bcs0....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> " bozak" <________boz....TakeThisOut@gmail.com________> wrote in message
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>> >>news:Xx%5k.43388$Xu2.30808@trnddc04...
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>> >> > you had the better team by far this year...
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>> >> > i have a feeling we will be doing this all over again next
>> >> > year...
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>> >> > im looking forward to it... :-)
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>> >> I think the Celtics will. I doubt the Lakers will.
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>> > The Celtics have some good young players who will likely improve
>> > next year.
>> > But then, the Lakers have some decent young players as well who
>> > will likely improve.
>> > Our second best player has only been with us for half a season. And
>> > our potentially best starting 5 have never played together.
>>
>> This made me think about how long players have been with teams. It's
>> amazing actually. Most of the Celtic players came to the team this
>> year. Not counting rookies, they have 7 players on their final 15 man
>> roster who were acquired this year. Add in the 2 rookies and that's
>> more than 50% of the roster. Even counting Derek Fisher, the Lakers
>> only have 5 non-rookies in their first year on the team, and two of
>> them were acquired in mid-season trades necessitated by the Bynum
>> injury.
>>
>> Pierce has been a Celtic for 9 years, Perkins for 5 and Tony Allen
>> for 4. That's the core of their team. Major contributors like Ray
>> Allen, Garnett, House, and important secondary contributors like
>> Cassell and Brown - all of them were acquired this season.
>>
>> I'm not making a judgement here - but I am wondering how Celtic fans
>> feel about their team. I've never rooted for a team that was slapped
>> together like this - usually the teams I root for are built over
>> several seasons and work their way into the elite of their league.
>> This Celtics team was essentially purchased and they took the
>> second-to-worst team in the league to Champs in one season.
>>
>> You know, you root for guys for many years and you develope a
>> relationship with them. It's a one-sided relationship to be sure, but
>> I cannot imagine having half the roster replaced in one fell swoop
>> and being really pumped about the team. I think for me, there would
>> be an emptiness to it.
>>
>> --
> There was definitely reservations among Celtics fans about the trades
> that brought in Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Players like West,
> Jefferson and Gomes were very likable players and the first two
> especially look to have an NBA future that is at least solid and
> possibly spectacular.
>
> But the way this team is built is no different than any other NBA
> champion of the past 15 years or so. Get a core player or two and
> build around them. The Los Angeles champions from the early 2000s are
> the prime example of this...they didn't draft any of the core players
> on those teams. They made deals and took advantage of free agency. The
> only difference is Boston had more success more quickly.
>
But they did play together as a team for several seasons, making it
further each year before finally putting it all together.

> "Draft, development and deals" was Ainge's mantra from day one. Ainge

Yet half his team was acquired this season. Do it seems that "deals" is
really what made the difference.

> built around Pierce, kept the draft picks he felt served the team
> (notice they were the ones who showed defensive acumen: Perkins,
> Rondo, Tony Allen...) and traded the others for veterans ready to win.
> He happened to get 2 of the best, and of course the inevitable key
> role players followed the opportunity to win a championship.
>
> To say Boston was "purchased" as distinction from other franchises
> isn't accurate. Other teams have tried it and haven't gotten over the
> top. (Dallas, New Jersey...or the Knicks!) The early returns on the
> investment is a testament to the Boston Celtics organization, which is
> ultimately what any C's fan roots for over a player.
>
I don't recall the Mavs or Nets ever turning half their roster over in a
single off season. Maybe my memory is failing. Could you remind me when
that happened?

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