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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:32 pm
Post subject: Will the draft even help us
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After last night I have given up and am looking toward the draft. I
figure we will pick 12th or so. Here is a list of players that were
drafted in 10-13 spots over the last couple years.
2006
10 Seattle Supersonics Saer Sene (Senegal)
11 Orlando Magic J.J. Redick (Duke)
12 N.O./Oklahoma City Hornets Hilton Armstrong (UConn)
13 Philadelphia 76ers Thabo Sefolosha (Switzerland)
2005
10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS
11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain
12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow
13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina
2004
Cleveland Luke Jackson | F | 6-7 | 215
Golden State Andris Biedrins | F | 6-11 | 240
Seattle Robert Swift | C | 7-0 | 245
Portland Sebastian Telfair | G | 6-0 | 165
2003
10. Washington -- Jarvis Hayes, f, Georgia
11. Golden State -- Mickael Pietrus, g-f, Pau Orthez (France)
12. Seattle -- Nick Collison, f, Kansas
13. Memphis (from Houston) -- Marcus Banks, g, UNLV
Lets face it no real big names. From 2003 Peitrus is doing pretty well
in GS and is Biedrins their pick in 2004. 2005 the Lakers got Bynum
and bobcats got Sean May, and from last year there is no one that
really contributes (yet). I think we need to use the pick and trade it
away for a vet. We wont get a good big man, and we have enough 1-2-3
players (many who are under used anyway).
So here is my two cents, throw the season, rest bibby and miller and
let them heal. Play Garcia and Douby more to help them develop. Use
this 12th pick to trade for a reliable big man that will help right
away.
I have no suggestions on what to do with Artest... (trade?)
John |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:16 am
Post subject: Re: Will the draft even help us [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mar 20, 3:32 pm, "runsrealfast" <runsrealf... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> After last night I have given up and am looking toward the draft. I
> figure we will pick 12th or so. Here is a list of players that were
> drafted in 10-13 spots over the last couple years.
>
> 2006
>
> 10 Seattle Supersonics Saer Sene (Senegal)
> 11 Orlando Magic J.J. Redick (Duke)
> 12 N.O./Oklahoma City Hornets Hilton Armstrong (UConn)
> 13 Philadelphia 76ers Thabo Sefolosha (Switzerland)
>
> 2005
>
> 10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS
> 11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain
> 12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow
> 13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina
>
> 2004
>
> Cleveland Luke Jackson | F | 6-7 | 215
> Golden State Andris Biedrins | F | 6-11 | 240
> Seattle Robert Swift | C | 7-0 | 245
> Portland Sebastian Telfair | G | 6-0 | 165
>
> 2003
>
> 10. Washington -- Jarvis Hayes, f, Georgia
> 11. Golden State -- Mickael Pietrus, g-f, Pau Orthez (France)
> 12. Seattle -- Nick Collison, f, Kansas
> 13. Memphis (from Houston) -- Marcus Banks, g, UNLV
>
> Lets face it no real big names. From 2003 Peitrus is doing pretty well
> in GS and is Biedrins their pick in 2004. 2005 the Lakers got Bynum
> and bobcats got Sean May, and from last year there is no one that
> really contributes (yet). I think we need to use the pick and trade it
> away for a vet. We wont get a good big man, and we have enough 1-2-3
> players (many who are under used anyway).
>
> So here is my two cents, throw the season, rest bibby and miller and
> let them heal. Play Garcia and Douby more to help them develop. Use
> this 12th pick to trade for a reliable big man that will help right
> away.
>
> I have no suggestions on what to do with Artest... (trade?)
>
> John
This year's draft is projected to be the deepest in years, esp. if
Durant and Odom come out. So the 12th pick may be a lot better than
prior years. |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:46 pm
Post subject: Re: Will the draft even help us [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mar 21, 12:16 pm, "PeterL" <po.n....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 3:32 pm, "runsrealfast" <runsrealf....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > After last night I have given up and am looking toward the draft. I
> > figure we will pick 12th or so. Here is a list of players that were
> > drafted in 10-13 spots over the last couple years.
>
> > 2006
>
> > 10 Seattle Supersonics Saer Sene (Senegal)
> > 11 Orlando Magic J.J. Redick (Duke)
> > 12 N.O./Oklahoma City Hornets Hilton Armstrong (UConn)
> > 13 Philadelphia 76ers Thabo Sefolosha (Switzerland)
>
> > 2005
>
> > 10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS
> > 11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain
> > 12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow
> > 13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina
>
> > 2004
>
> > Cleveland Luke Jackson | F | 6-7 | 215
> > Golden State Andris Biedrins | F | 6-11 | 240
> > Seattle Robert Swift | C | 7-0 | 245
> > Portland Sebastian Telfair | G | 6-0 | 165
>
> > 2003
>
> > 10. Washington -- Jarvis Hayes, f, Georgia
> > 11. Golden State -- Mickael Pietrus, g-f, Pau Orthez (France)
> > 12. Seattle -- Nick Collison, f, Kansas
> > 13. Memphis (from Houston) -- Marcus Banks, g, UNLV
>
> > Lets face it no real big names. From 2003 Peitrus is doing pretty well
> > in GS and is Biedrins their pick in 2004. 2005 the Lakers got Bynum
> > and bobcats got Sean May, and from last year there is no one that
> > really contributes (yet). I think we need to use the pick and trade it
> > away for a vet. We wont get a good big man, and we have enough 1-2-3
> > players (many who are under used anyway).
>
> > So here is my two cents, throw the season, rest bibby and miller and
> > let them heal. Play Garcia and Douby more to help them develop. Use
> > this 12th pick to trade for a reliable big man that will help right
> > away.
>
> > I have no suggestions on what to do with Artest... (trade?)
>
> > John
>
> This year's draft is projected to be the deepest in years, esp. if
> Durant and Odom come out. So the 12th pick may be a lot better than
> prior years.
Not only is it deep, but it seems deep for big men. Only problem is do
we want to take a risk with a big man that was great in college but
will be just like SAR and Thomas?
John >> Stay informed about: Will the draft even help us |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:02 pm
Post subject: Re: Will the draft even help us [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Mar 21, 12:46 pm, "runsrealfast" <runsrealf... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 12:16 pm, "PeterL" <po.n... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 20, 3:32 pm, "runsrealfast" <runsrealf... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > After last night I have given up and am looking toward the draft. I
> > > figure we will pick 12th or so. Here is a list of players that were
> > > drafted in 10-13 spots over the last couple years.
>
> > > 2006
>
> > > 10 Seattle Supersonics Saer Sene (Senegal)
> > > 11 Orlando Magic J.J. Redick (Duke)
> > > 12 N.O./Oklahoma City Hornets Hilton Armstrong (UConn)
> > > 13 Philadelphia 76ers Thabo Sefolosha (Switzerland)
>
> > > 2005
>
> > > 10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS
> > > 11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain
> > > 12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow
> > > 13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina
>
> > > 2004
>
> > > Cleveland Luke Jackson | F | 6-7 | 215
> > > Golden State Andris Biedrins | F | 6-11 | 240
> > > Seattle Robert Swift | C | 7-0 | 245
> > > Portland Sebastian Telfair | G | 6-0 | 165
>
> > > 2003
>
> > > 10. Washington -- Jarvis Hayes, f, Georgia
> > > 11. Golden State -- Mickael Pietrus, g-f, Pau Orthez (France)
> > > 12. Seattle -- Nick Collison, f, Kansas
> > > 13. Memphis (from Houston) -- Marcus Banks, g, UNLV
>
> > > Lets face it no real big names. From 2003 Peitrus is doing pretty well
> > > in GS and is Biedrins their pick in 2004. 2005 the Lakers got Bynum
> > > and bobcats got Sean May, and from last year there is no one that
> > > really contributes (yet). I think we need to use the pick and trade it
> > > away for a vet. We wont get a good big man, and we have enough 1-2-3
> > > players (many who are under used anyway).
>
> > > So here is my two cents, throw the season, rest bibby and miller and
> > > let them heal. Play Garcia and Douby more to help them develop. Use
> > > this 12th pick to trade for a reliable big man that will help right
> > > away.
>
> > > I have no suggestions on what to do with Artest... (trade?)
>
> > > John
>
> > This year's draft is projected to be the deepest in years, esp. if
> > Durant and Odom come out. So the 12th pick may be a lot better than
> > prior years.
>
> Not only is it deep, but it seems deep for big men. Only problem is do
> we want to take a risk with a big man that was great in college but
> will be just like SAR and Thomas?
>
> John-
Remember, drafting to rebuild will take a lot of years, even if you
are drafting in the top spots. Look at recent history. LeBron, can't
miss right? His team hasn't gotten past the 1st round yet. Same with
KG (except one year). Yao, nothing, Darko, bust. Very few top draft
picks help the team immediately. Off the top of my head I can only
think of Duncan recently, and he was drafted into an already good
team. Even MJ took 6 years to win his first ring. Going back farther
Kareem, Bird and Magic helped immediately. But again they were
drafted into very good teams.
Big men especially will take a lot of years to develop. Yao who came
with lots of pro experiences still takes 4 or 5 years to become great. >> Stay informed about: Will the draft even help us |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:04 am
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On Mar 21, 11:02 pm, "PeterL" <po.n... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 21, 12:46 pm, "runsrealfast" <runsrealf... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Mar 21, 12:16 pm, "PeterL" <po.n... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 20, 3:32 pm, "runsrealfast" <runsrealf... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > After last night I have given up and am looking toward the draft. I
> > > > figure we will pick 12th or so. Here is a list of players that were
> > > > drafted in 10-13 spots over the last couple years.
>
> > > > 2006
>
> > > > 10 Seattle Supersonics Saer Sene (Senegal)
> > > > 11 Orlando Magic J.J. Redick (Duke)
> > > > 12 N.O./Oklahoma City Hornets Hilton Armstrong (UConn)
> > > > 13 Philadelphia 76ers Thabo Sefolosha (Switzerland)
>
> > > > 2005
>
> > > > 10 LA Lakers Andrew Bynum, St. Joseph (NJ) HS
> > > > 11 Orlando Magic Fran Vazquez, Spain
> > > > 12 LA Clippers Yaroslav Korolev, CSKA Moscow
> > > > 13 Charlotte Bobcats Sean May, North Carolina
>
> > > > 2004
>
> > > > Cleveland Luke Jackson | F | 6-7 | 215
> > > > Golden State Andris Biedrins | F | 6-11 | 240
> > > > Seattle Robert Swift | C | 7-0 | 245
> > > > Portland Sebastian Telfair | G | 6-0 | 165
>
> > > > 2003
>
> > > > 10. Washington -- Jarvis Hayes, f, Georgia
> > > > 11. Golden State -- Mickael Pietrus, g-f, Pau Orthez (France)
> > > > 12. Seattle -- Nick Collison, f, Kansas
> > > > 13. Memphis (from Houston) -- Marcus Banks, g, UNLV
>
> > > > Lets face it no real big names. From 2003 Peitrus is doing pretty well
> > > > in GS and is Biedrins their pick in 2004. 2005 the Lakers got Bynum
> > > > and bobcats got Sean May, and from last year there is no one that
> > > > really contributes (yet). I think we need to use the pick and trade it
> > > > away for a vet. We wont get a good big man, and we have enough 1-2-3
> > > > players (many who are under used anyway).
>
> > > > So here is my two cents, throw the season, rest bibby and miller and
> > > > let them heal. Play Garcia and Douby more to help them develop. Use
> > > > this 12th pick to trade for a reliable big man that will help right
> > > > away.
>
> > > > I have no suggestions on what to do with Artest... (trade?)
>
> > > > John
>
> > > This year's draft is projected to be the deepest in years, esp. if
> > > Durant and Odom come out. So the 12th pick may be a lot better than
> > > prior years.
>
> > Not only is it deep, but it seems deep for big men. Only problem is do
> > we want to take a risk with a big man that was great in college but
> > will be just like SAR and Thomas?
>
> > John-
>
> Remember, drafting to rebuild will take a lot of years, even if you
> are drafting in the top spots. Look at recent history. LeBron, can't
> miss right? His team hasn't gotten past the 1st round yet. Same with
> KG (except one year). Yao, nothing, Darko, bust. Very few top draft
> picks help the team immediately. Off the top of my head I can only
> think of Duncan recently, and he was drafted into an already good
> team. Even MJ took 6 years to win his first ring. Going back farther
> Kareem, Bird and Magic helped immediately. But again they were
> drafted into very good teams.
>
> Big men especially will take a lot of years to develop. Yao who came
> with lots of pro experiences still takes 4 or 5 years to become great.
Bingo that why I say lets dump the draft pick and get a vet that can
help right away. >> Stay informed about: Will the draft even help us |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:49 pm
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PeterL wrote:
> Remember, drafting to rebuild will take a lot of years, even if you
> are drafting in the top spots. Look at recent history. LeBron, can't
> miss right? His team hasn't gotten past the 1st round yet. Same with
> KG (except one year). Yao, nothing, Darko, bust. Very few top draft
> picks help the team immediately. Off the top of my head I can only
> think of Duncan recently, and he was drafted into an already good
> team.
I agree..
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:52 pm
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Terraholm wrote:
> PeterL wrote:
>
>> Remember, drafting to rebuild will take a lot of years, even if you
>> are drafting in the top spots. Look at recent history. LeBron,
>> can't miss right? His team hasn't gotten past the 1st round yet. Same with KG (except one year).
>> Yao, nothing, Darko, bust. Very
>> few top draft picks help the team immediately. Off the top of my
>> head I can only think of Duncan recently, and he was drafted into an
>> already good team.
>
> I agree..
This was supposed to be I agree but add in Wade. >> Stay informed about: Will the draft even help us |
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