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>> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
>> should they try to sign him.
>
> I'd pass. I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I
> think is playing in Turkey now. He's young, super quick, and very
> athletic. Very similar to Rondo.
>
Dee Brown playing overseas. Wow! Saw him play many times when he was in
college and thought he would be a star in this league.

Dee Brown; yes. Payton; no.

If the Celts sign Payton it would have to be at a league minimum for sure.
I think he could give a few decent minutes when needed, but would be a
liability on defense which is the Celtics forte right now. Also, who would
lose the roster spot? The Celts could not handle the traps Detroit threw at
them and I imagine Payton could have. I blame that more on Doc than Rondo
though.

IMO we need to be looking for another big man. Perk is what he is. The kid
plays hard, but he's got about a 2" vertical and he certainly can't be
accused of having soft hands. Drops allot of passes and misses allot of
easy shots under the basket. IMO him and Doc were exposed in the Detroit
game.

I realize there's probably no way we're going to get anyone any better, but
this is still our biggest need. Rondo is going to be fine, maybe even an
all star one day.

BTW, how big is Payton and Brown? Billup's ate us up with his size. I
think Allan could have done a decent job on him, but he's not a ball
handler.
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>> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
>> should they try to sign him.
>
> I'd pass. I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I
> think is playing in Turkey now. He's young, super quick, and very
> athletic. Very similar to Rondo.
>

Oh...I don't know. If he still has anything in the tank, we could do much
worse. They have the roster slot...he would only cost veteran minimum
money...he's a solid veteran if he's in shape and healthy. It's not like
they need that much out of him...just minutes to spell Rondo...and the kid
could learn a trick or two. I'm open to others like you suggest, but I
think some help is in order.
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> Dee Brown playing overseas. Wow! Saw him play many times when he was in
> college and thought he would be a star in this league.

I thought he'd be a very good pro guard with his athleticism, ballhandling
and skill. I'm not sure if he is overseas, but I could not find him on an
NBA roster. Not that I looked real hard, mind you.

> If the Celts sign Payton it would have to be at a league minimum for sure.
> I think he could give a few decent minutes when needed, but would be a
> liability on defense which is the Celtics forte right now. Also, who
> would lose the roster spot? The Celts could not handle the traps Detroit
> threw at them and I imagine Payton could have. I blame that more on Doc
> than Rondo though.

I agree with you on ths point. In another post I mentioned that a coach is
supposed to put his players in position to succeed. Then I saw what you
wrote and it got me to thinking a little more. Then it dawned on me that
the other part of the equation was missing. That missing part is that a
coach is supposed to know his players.

That means that Doc made a critical personnel mistake too. With Rondo on
the bench, Doc should have brought his NEXT best ballhandler (Tony Allen)
in, OR create the best ballhandling situation by putting the ball in someone
else's hands (like Garnett). That would have forced Detroit into a
decision. No way that McDyess or Wallace would be able to pressure and take
the ball from Garnett. If Detroit elected to throw a guard at him, Garnett
would simply pick the ball up, throw it over the top and the press is
broken.

> IMO we need to be looking for another big man. Perk is what he is. The
> kid plays hard, but he's got about a 2" vertical and he certainly can't be
> accused of having soft hands. Drops allot of passes and misses allot of
> easy shots under the basket. IMO him and Doc were exposed in the Detroit
> game.

I'm disappointed in Doc. He's been through enough last second/last shot
situations the last few seasons to have learned better by now. It seems he
hasn't. Based on THIS season alone, it's been really simple. For the LAST
shot of hte game, put the ball in the hands of a player NOT named Pierce.
Ray Allen is 2-2 in this situation this year. Pierce is 0-2 AND the C's
lost both games where he had the last shot.

> I realize there's probably no way we're going to get anyone any better,
> but this is still our biggest need. Rondo is going to be fine, maybe
> even an all star one day.
>
> BTW, how big is Payton and Brown? Billup's ate us up with his size. I
> think Allan could have done a decent job on him, but he's not a ball
> handler.

Brown is Rondo sized, maybe even a little smaller. Payton is 6'2" I think.
Billups does have size, but Rondo's (and Tony Allen's) quickness caused
Chauncey problems. I just think Doc has to use his people better.
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> > making noise he wants to play for the celts.
> > should they try to sign him.
>
> I'd pass.  I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I think
> is playing in Turkey now.  He's young, super quick, and very athletic.  Very
> similar to Rondo.

Utah doesn't have his rights? He played for them last season during
playoffs, and relatively well as I recall.

I liked Brown at Illinois as well, but I think if Boston were to bring
in another PG it should probably be someone with a little more
seasoning. Travis Best may be a good choice.
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On Dec 21, 6:51 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu....DeleteThis@rcn.com> wrote:
> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
> should they try to sign him.

I would think if he had anything left then somebody else would have
picked him up already.

But he did make one of my favorite defensive plays ever as a Celtic --
Jalen Rose was going for the last shot, tie or win I can't remember.
Payton reached in and stripped him and just put the ball down and
walked off at the buzzer. No whooping, celebrating or anything. It
was great.
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> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
> should they try to sign him.


Don't see the downside really. I suppose you could worry about chemistry
problems. Then again, I'm much more concerned about the exposed weaknesses
we saw against Detroit. We knew Rondo had weakness - and Billups showed
they can be exploited on both ends of the court. GP goes a long way to
neutralizing *both* of them by providing superior ball handling and decision
making combined with still well above average defensive ability.

I'd sign him and not think twice. Let the rich get richer.
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>> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
>> should they try to sign him.
>
> I'd pass. I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I
> think is playing in Turkey now. He's young, super quick, and very
> athletic. Very similar to Rondo.

We need veteran experience to help at the PG spot. Not youthful
athleticism.
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>>> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
>>> should they try to sign him.
>>
>> I'd pass. I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I
>> think is playing in Turkey now. He's young, super quick, and very
>> athletic. Very similar to Rondo.
>>
> Dee Brown playing overseas. Wow! Saw him play many times when he was in
> college and thought he would be a star in this league.
>
> Dee Brown; yes. Payton; no.
>
> If the Celts sign Payton it would have to be at a league minimum for sure.
> I think he could give a few decent minutes when needed, but would be a
> liability on defense which is the Celtics forte right now. Also, who
> would lose the roster spot? The Celts could not handle the traps Detroit
> threw at them and I imagine Payton could have. I blame that more on Doc
> than Rondo though.
>
> IMO we need to be looking for another big man. Perk is what he is. The
> kid plays hard, but he's got about a 2" vertical and he certainly can't be
> accused of having soft hands. Drops allot of passes and misses allot of
> easy shots under the basket. IMO him and Doc were exposed in the Detroit
> game.
>
> I realize there's probably no way we're going to get anyone any better,
> but this is still our biggest need. Rondo is going to be fine, maybe
> even an all star one day.
>
> BTW, how big is Payton and Brown? Billup's ate us up with his size. I
> think Allan could have done a decent job on him, but he's not a ball
> handler.

Payton has been playing and defending against bigger guards for a long time,
and doing it well. Rondo is "going to be fine". "Fine" may not be good
enough when Detroit clamps down on D in the fourth quarter of a game 7 and
Fine Rondo can't get out of a halfcourt trap to save his life.

I agree we need a big man. Either that or let Pollard on the floor more, as
I think if he can play for us like he did for the Kings he'll be adequate.
But the PG position, right now, is more pressing. KG can make up for the C
deficiency. Allen can NOT make up for a PG deficiency to the same extent.
Who cares about the money... it's not coming out of your pocket and it would
be a one year deal.

As for blaming the coach .. .blame him all you want. He's here to stay for
the foreseeable future. That means we need to change what we can and not
focus on the things we can't. And for the record, I disagree and think that
Rondo is just not experienced enough against a strong D like Detroit has and
has some real deficiencies that were really exploited - and will be again
unless we make some changes.
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>
> Payton has been playing and defending against bigger guards for a long
> time, and doing it well. Rondo is "going to be fine". "Fine" may not be
> good enough when Detroit clamps down on D in the fourth quarter of a game
> 7 and Fine Rondo can't get out of a halfcourt trap to save his life.

Did you see Payton when he played for us the last time? He couldn't keep up
with half the guards in the league then, so what makes you think he can now?
They blew right past him. His quickness is what made him so good. Do you
really think he'll be able to beat the trap if Rondo can't? Do you really
think he's as good at this point in his life as Rondo?

You know what though, maybe your right. Maybe he can beat the trap even at
his age because he's been coached and knows how. Maybe we should pick him
up just to show Rondo if nothing else. After all, it doesn't look like Doc
will. ;0)

Rondo's not big, but he's quick. Beating a good trapping team requires team
strategy, not just wait and see if the PG can dribble out of it. Many
teams, including Detroit, trap guys other than the PG, especially when they
know they have a guy with poor ball handling skills. Teams and players have
to learn to see/read the trap and pass out of it.

> I agree we need a big man. Either that or let Pollard on the floor more,
> as I think if he can play for us like he did for the Kings he'll be
> adequate. But the PG position, right now, is more pressing. KG can make
> up for the C deficiency. Allen can NOT make up for a PG deficiency to the
> same extent. Who cares about the money... it's not coming out of your
> pocket and it would be a one year deal.

Rondo's scoring could well have offset Billup's had Doc kept going to him.
He was breaking down their defense in the first half like no one's business,
but Doc for some reason chose to make damned sure Pierce got his touches in
the 2nd half.

I do agree that Pollard should get more PT. As a matter of fact, I'm not at
all sure that he's not the better option at center at this point. I don't
mean to bang Perk because I really like his hussle, rebounding, etc. But,
he's just not the answer long term IMO. He would be the perfect big man
coming off the bench, but not as the primary guy. He's still very young and
he may yet develop into that guy, but I kind of doubt it.

I will agree that we also desparately need another ball handler, but as
Robert pointed out, they could always put the ball in someone elses hands
when Rondo's not in the game. Used to do it with Bird all the time and more
recently through Pierce.

As far as the money goes, it's a long season and who knows what might
happen. I'd just hate to see the Celts bind themselve's financially for the
likes of Payton. Even if for just a year. He's looking to get a ring and
thinks he will have a chance with Boston or he wouldn't be talking about
coming out of retirment. He'd probably play for peanuts.

> As for blaming the coach .. .blame him all you want. He's here to stay
> for the foreseeable future. That means we need to change what we can and
> not focus on the things we can't. And for the record, I disagree and
> think that Rondo is just not experienced enough against a strong D like
> Detroit has and has some real deficiencies that were really exploited -
> and will be again unless we make some changes.

Unfortunately you might be right about Doc being around for awhile. Larry
Brown is not walking though that door. Many of us have said that Doc might
cost us and he has. I'll continue to blame him when he makes obvious high
school mistakes like he did in the Detroit game. I/we can't change a damned
thing, all we can do is talk about it and that's what we're doing.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on Rondo. The kid is a hell of ball
player; just needs to learn. Full court pressure, trapping, etc. occurs in
basketball at every level. It's a calculated risk/strategy and it takes a
strategy to beat it. It's actually fairly easy to beat or teams would do it
all the time. It's a gamble because if it doesn't work someone is open for
an easy shot. Everyone gets victimized by the trap now and again, but not
play after play.

Doc got exploited, not Rondo IMO.
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> > Dee Brown playing overseas. Wow! Saw him play many times when he was
in
> > college and thought he would be a star in this league.
>
> I thought he'd be a very good pro guard with his athleticism, ballhandling
> and skill. I'm not sure if he is overseas, but I could not find him on an
> NBA roster. Not that I looked real hard, mind you.
>
> > If the Celts sign Payton it would have to be at a league minimum for
sure.
> > I think he could give a few decent minutes when needed, but would be a
> > liability on defense which is the Celtics forte right now. Also, who
> > would lose the roster spot? The Celts could not handle the traps
Detroit
> > threw at them and I imagine Payton could have. I blame that more on Doc
> > than Rondo though.
>
> I agree with you on ths point. In another post I mentioned that a coach
is
> supposed to put his players in position to succeed. Then I saw what you
> wrote and it got me to thinking a little more. Then it dawned on me that
> the other part of the equation was missing. That missing part is that a
> coach is supposed to know his players.
>
> That means that Doc made a critical personnel mistake too. With Rondo on
> the bench, Doc should have brought his NEXT best ballhandler (Tony Allen)
> in, OR create the best ballhandling situation by putting the ball in
someone
> else's hands (like Garnett). That would have forced Detroit into a
> decision. No way that McDyess or Wallace would be able to pressure and
take
> the ball from Garnett. If Detroit elected to throw a guard at him,
Garnett
> would simply pick the ball up, throw it over the top and the press is
> broken.

Doc said in the post game interview that the play was supposed to be for
Garnett. Rondo thought ...who knows.
Mike
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>> Payton has been playing and defending against bigger guards for a long
>> time, and doing it well. Rondo is "going to be fine". "Fine" may not be
>> good enough when Detroit clamps down on D in the fourth quarter of a game
>> 7 and Fine Rondo can't get out of a halfcourt trap to save his life.
>
> Did you see Payton when he played for us the last time?

Did you see Moss playing for the Raiders?

Sure, not a one for one example, but the principle is there - he was on a
bad ... terrible team. He has talent, undeniable talent. He also has
undeniable decay of his prime talent. But he will not have lost that
veteran experience. He will not have lost his ball handling ability. He
will not have lost his fundamentals of tough D.

> He couldn't keep up with half the guards in the league then, so what makes
> you think he can now?

That's just a gross exaggeration and quite frankly not true.

> They blew right past him. His quickness is what made him so good.

It was only one aspect of his game, actually.

> Do you really think he'll be able to beat the trap if Rondo can't?

Not just beat it, but see it before it happens, avoid it, and turn it into
an easy fast break basket. Yes.

> Do you really think he's as good at this point in his life as Rondo?

I think Payton would have a role as a backup and role model to Rondo, who is
still very inexperienced.

> You know what though, maybe your right. Maybe he can beat the trap even
> at his age because he's been coached and knows how. Maybe we should pick
> him up just to show Rondo if nothing else. After all, it doesn't look
> like Doc will. ;0)

That's what I'm saying.

> Rondo's not big, but he's quick. Beating a good trapping team requires
> team strategy, not just wait and see if the PG can dribble out of it.

While I agree, it also hinges on the mental and physical abilities of the PG
more than any other player on the court.

> Many teams, including Detroit, trap guys other than the PG, especially
> when they know they have a guy with poor ball handling skills. Teams and
> players have to learn to see/read the trap and pass out of it.

I agree 100%. Rondo will learn that. Payton already has. If Rondo is
struggling, it would be nice to have a Payton ready to come in the game. It
would change the game dynamics at that point.

>> I agree we need a big man. Either that or let Pollard on the floor more,
>> as I think if he can play for us like he did for the Kings he'll be
>> adequate. But the PG position, right now, is more pressing. KG can make
>> up for the C deficiency. Allen can NOT make up for a PG deficiency to
>> the same extent. Who cares about the money... it's not coming out of your
>> pocket and it would be a one year deal.
>
> Rondo's scoring could well have offset Billup's had Doc kept going to him.

If we make Rondo the focus of the offense, we're not going to get anywhere.

> He was breaking down their defense in the first half like no one's
> business,

When they weren't pressuring him.

> but Doc for some reason chose to make damned sure Pierce got his touches
> in the 2nd half.

Detroit also changed their defense.

> I do agree that Pollard should get more PT. As a matter of fact, I'm not
> at all sure that he's not the better option at center at this point. I
> don't mean to bang Perk because I really like his hussle, rebounding, etc.
> But, he's just not the answer long term IMO. He would be the perfect big
> man coming off the bench, but not as the primary guy. He's still very
> young and he may yet develop into that guy, but I kind of doubt it.

Pollard has some of that poor man's Rodman's energy and exuberance that I
think can only help. He's like a focused McCarty.

> I will agree that we also desparately need another ball handler, but as
> Robert pointed out, they could always put the ball in someone elses hands
> when Rondo's not in the game. Used to do it with Bird all the time and
> more recently through Pierce.

And for many teams - mostly not playoff ones - that would work fine. But
for a team that has the defensively skilled players to trap well, it won't.

> As far as the money goes, it's a long season and who knows what might
> happen. I'd just hate to see the Celts bind themselve's financially for
> the likes of Payton. Even if for just a year.

What else are we going to do with it this year? We're already what, 19 mil
or so over the cap????

> He's looking to get a ring and thinks he will have a chance with Boston
> or he wouldn't be talking about coming out of retirment. He'd probably
> play for peanuts.

I agree.

>> As for blaming the coach .. .blame him all you want. He's here to stay
>> for the foreseeable future. That means we need to change what we can and
>> not focus on the things we can't. And for the record, I disagree and
>> think that Rondo is just not experienced enough against a strong D like
>> Detroit has and has some real deficiencies that were really exploited -
>> and will be again unless we make some changes.
>
> Unfortunately you might be right about Doc being around for awhile.

After a start like they've had this year, there is no "might" in that
thought any more. It would take a total and disastrous meltdown to oust him
now.

> Larry Brown is not walking though that door. Many of us have said that
> Doc might cost us and he has. I'll continue to blame him when he makes
> obvious high school mistakes like he did in the Detroit game.

A veteran team, as we have, should know how to break a press/trap if they
have George Bush as a coach. I blame the players.

> I/we can't change a damned thing, all we can do is talk about it and
> that's what we're doing.
>
> We'll just have to agree to disagree on Rondo.

I'm not so sure we actually disagree all that much on him. You probably
think he's better than I do, but I have certainly upgraded my opinion of him
based on his play this year. But the fact is that he's young and lacking in
some vital experience and probably has ways to go with decision making in
crucial situations. He needs to work on his jumpshot, also.

> The kid is a hell of ball player; just needs to learn. Full court
> pressure, trapping, etc. occurs in basketball at every level. It's a
> calculated risk/strategy and it takes a strategy to beat it. It's
> actually fairly easy to beat or teams would do it all the time.

It's a lot harder to beat when you have Tayshan and Billups trapping than a
lot of other combos.

> It's a gamble because if it doesn't work someone is open for an easy shot.
> Everyone gets victimized by the trap now and again, but not play after
> play.
>
> Doc got exploited, not Rondo IMO.

Doc is not free of blame, but neither is Rondo. The point I want to drive
home is that with a guy like Payton, even if you dislike Doc and think he
lacks in prep for the team, that would be minimized if not eliminated as a
problem with a veteran like Payton. I say the Celtics win that last game
with Payton playing down the stretch instead of Rondo/Allen/etc.
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> > making noise he wants to play for the celts.
> > should they try to sign him.
>
> I'd pass. I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I think
> is playing in Turkey now. He's young, super quick, and very athletic. Very
> similar to Rondo.

Utah doesn't have his rights? He played for them last season during
playoffs, and relatively well as I recall.

I liked Brown at Illinois as well, but I think if Boston were to bring
in another PG it should probably be someone with a little more
seasoning. Travis Best may be a good choice.



Wow...Travis Best...Haven't heard that name in a while...where has he been?
I would be open to the C's bringing back Payton for a couple of reasons, 1)
he's a veteran who would bring the kind of stability to the backup PG
position that we dont currently have, and 2) he's big. he could match up
with Billups and wouldn't get posted up like Rondo did or bite like a
dumbass on a ball fake like TA did.
with that in mind please allow me to digress for a second. Does anyone else
out there think TA has the lowest basketball IQ of anyone in the league. I
know i shoud be giving him the benefit of the doubt cause he clearly isn't
100% yet and maybe never will be. but come on. you can argue that he was
directly responsible for 2 of the 3 losses we've had so far. Now i
remember him playing out of mind last year when Pierce went down but I don't
see anything like that right now. and after the one stretch against Sacto
the other night I was almost wondering if he should have been cut and
Dahntay Jones kept on the roster.

Back to Payton and the backup PG spot. Neither House nor TA are capable of
consistently beating a good press, nothing against them cause its never been
their game. House is a shooter, TA is a slasher, they only play PG on TV.
I would bring in Payton just for his ability to match Billups size, Billups
will never be acused of beating anyone with quickness so Payton should be
able to stay with him in limited minutes and should be savvy enough to not
bite on head fakes. ( or he's too old to even react to them, which works
too)
I'll throw one more name out there for all of you. Randy Livingston. he
is 1) big 2) a pass first point guard with a solid handle and 3) a veteran,
and hes torn up the D-League for the last couple of years
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>> making noise he wants to play for the celts.
>> should they try to sign him.
>
>I'd pass. I'd be intrigued by former Illinois guard Dee Brown, who I think
>is playing in Turkey now. He's young, super quick, and very athletic. Very
>similar to Rondo.
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And he can shoot.
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