hassell-buckner trade

On Sep 30, 7:38 pm, "BallFour" <p....TakeThisOut@blackhole.com> wrote:
> You are just now questioning McHale's GM skills? :)

Haha. Nothing McHale does should surprise anyone. I just wish he'd
give up the incriminating photos of Glen Taylor so the Wolves could
fire him already.

Hassell is a nice effort player, but he's been backsliding a bit
lately.

Matt
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On Sep 30, 8:38 pm, "BallFour" <p....RemoveThis@blackhole.com> wrote:
> You are just now questioning McHale's GM skills? :)
> In this case they got a bit more off the cap and Greg Buckner, while a bit
> older will provide a more aggressive attitude than Hassell. A wash most
> would agree.
>
> "Dave McNulla" <mcnu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191081098.384813.275320@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > is it dead in here or did i go to the spurs newsgroup?
>
> > what was mchale thinking on that trade? i think i'm starting to
> > question mchale's skill as a general manager.
>
> > dave- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Hi Dave, et al.

My quick take was that Mark Cuban is interested
in winning, while Kevin McHale is only interested in
lowering his payroll -- and believes that his <cough>
awesome draft choices made Trenton expendable.

Britt Robson recalls that Hassell and Wittman got
into a little spat last season and that may have also
been a contributing factor.

http://www.rakemag.com/today/sports/

I look for Trenton to truly blossom playing for Avery
Johnson and presumably play the "2" exclusively.
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On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 04:49:04 -0700, levi <levi.RemoveThis@visi.com> wrote:

>On Sep 30, 8:38 pm, "BallFour" <p....RemoveThis@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> You are just now questioning McHale's GM skills? :)
>> In this case they got a bit more off the cap and Greg Buckner, while a bit
>> older will provide a more aggressive attitude than Hassell. A wash most
>> would agree.
>
>My quick take was that Mark Cuban is interested
>in winning, while Kevin McHale is only interested in
>lowering his payroll -- and believes that his <cough>
>awesome draft choices made Trenton expendable.

The Wolves have been handcuffed by McHale's overly generous contracts
for years, that's part of the reason they could hardly ever improve or
take advantage of having a league MVP on the roster. After moving
KG's max-plus contract, this is the second step in climbing out of
that hole because Buckner doesn't tie up as much money for so long. By
the time the younger players are ready to contend I'd like the team to
have the cap flexibility to actually build a team.

After the hand-check rules were changed, Hassell hasn't been nearly as
effective a defender, and frankly I'm so sick of the Wolves of recent
years I'd reallly just like to see new players. Last year was the
first year that I didn't even enjoy going to Wolves games, and part of
the reason for that was knowing they were about as good as they were
ever going to be.

I'm okay with them not being very good this year: the '96-'97 Wolves
had a losing record, two halves of a shooting guard, a sleepy center
who made them play 4-on-5 on offense, they gave up too many offensive
rebounds and couldn't guard anyone on the perimeter so they gave up
100 points a game, and got swept by the Rockets but they were a hell
of a lot of fun to watch. I just don't want them to be stuck in the
mud like they've been for so many years.
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On Oct 6, 4:49 am, levi <l....RemoveThis@visi.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 8:38 pm, "BallFour" <p....RemoveThis@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You are just now questioning McHale's GM skills? :)
> > In this case they got a bit more off the cap and Greg Buckner, while a bit
> > older will provide a more aggressive attitude than Hassell. A wash most
> > would agree.
>
> > "Dave McNulla" <mcnu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1191081098.384813.275320@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > is it dead in here or did i go to the spurs newsgroup?
>
> > > what was mchale thinking on that trade? i think i'm starting to
> > > question mchale's skill as a general manager.
>
> > > dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hi Dave, et al.
>
> My quick take was that Mark Cuban is interested
> in winning, while Kevin McHale is only interested in
> lowering his payroll -- and believes that his <cough>
> awesome draft choices made Trenton expendable.
>
> Britt Robson recalls that Hassell and Wittman got
> into a little spat last season and that may have also
> been a contributing factor.
>
> http://www.rakemag.com/today/sports/
>
> I look for Trenton to truly blossom playing for Avery
> Johnson and presumably play the "2" exclusively.


lowering his payroll? that's funny. hassell is due 13 million over
three years and buckner is due 15.8 million over four years. how is he
saving money?

dave
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On Oct 11, 8:23 pm, Dave McNulla <mcnu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Oct 6, 4:49 am, levi <l....RemoveThis@visi.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 8:38 pm, "BallFour" <p....RemoveThis@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
> > > You are just now questioning McHale's GM skills? :)
> > > In this case they got a bit more off the cap and Greg Buckner, while a bit
> > > older will provide a more aggressive attitude than Hassell. A wash most
> > > would agree.
>
> > > "Dave McNulla" <mcnu....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1191081098.384813.275320@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > is it dead in here or did i go to the spurs newsgroup?
>
> > > > what was mchale thinking on that trade? i think i'm starting to
> > > > question mchale's skill as a general manager.
>
> > > > dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Hi Dave, et al.
>
> > My quick take was that Mark Cuban is interested
> > in winning, while Kevin McHale is only interested in
> > lowering his payroll -- and believes that his <cough>
> > awesome draft choices made Trenton expendable.
>
> > Britt Robson recalls that Hassell and Wittman got
> > into a little spat last season and that may have also
> > been a contributing factor.
>
> > http://www.rakemag.com/today/sports/
>
> > I look for Trenton to truly blossom playing for Avery
> > Johnson and presumably play the "2" exclusively.
>
> lowering his payroll? that's funny. hassell is due 13 million over
> three years and buckner is due 15.8 million over four years. how is he
> saving money?
>
> dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dave, I don't know where you got your numbers,
and that said, I don't know where Britt Robson (the
reporter) got his, but in his article (linked above) we
read:

: ...Probably most significantly, Buckner is nearly
: $2 million cheaper over the next three seasons,
: and I suppose if the Wolves are going with youth
: anyway, the vets on the bench can be discounted.
:
: [Update: A smart reader just informed me that
: because Buckner's third year is a team option and
: thus not guaranteed, Wolves could save up to $5.79
: million in this deal.]
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On Oct 12, 3:57 am, levi <l... RemoveThis @visi.com> wrote:
> On Oct 11, 8:23 pm, Dave McNulla <mcnu... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 4:49 am, levi <l... RemoveThis @visi.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 30, 8:38 pm, "BallFour" <p... RemoveThis @blackhole.com> wrote:
>
> > > > You are just now questioning McHale's GM skills? :)
> > > > In this case they got a bit more off the cap and Greg Buckner, while a bit
> > > > older will provide a more aggressive attitude than Hassell. A wash most
> > > > would agree.
>
> > > > "Dave McNulla" <mcnu... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1191081098.384813.275320@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > is it dead in here or did i go to the spurs newsgroup?
>
> > > > > what was mchale thinking on that trade? i think i'm starting to
> > > > > question mchale's skill as a general manager.
>
> > > > > dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Hi Dave, et al.
>
> > > My quick take was that Mark Cuban is interested
> > > in winning, while Kevin McHale is only interested in
> > > lowering his payroll -- and believes that his <cough>
> > > awesome draft choices made Trenton expendable.
>
> > > Britt Robson recalls that Hassell and Wittman got
> > > into a little spat last season and that may have also
> > > been a contributing factor.
>
> > > http://www.rakemag.com/today/sports/
>
> > > I look for Trenton to truly blossom playing for Avery
> > > Johnson and presumably play the "2" exclusively.
>
> > lowering his payroll? that's funny. hassell is due 13 million over
> > three years and buckner is due 15.8 million over four years. how is he
> > saving money?
>
> > dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Dave, I don't know where you got your numbers,
> and that said, I don't know where Britt Robson (the
> reporter) got his, but in his article (linked above) we
> read:
>
> : ...Probably most significantly, Buckner is nearly
> : $2 million cheaper over the next three seasons,
> : and I suppose if the Wolves are going with youth
> : anyway, the vets on the bench can be discounted.
> :
> : [Update: A smart reader just informed me that
> : because Buckner's third year is a team option and
> : thus not guaranteed, Wolves could save up to $5.79
> : million in this deal.]

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm

that shows it's buckner's option in year four
Greg Buckner
$3,780,000
$3,759,259
$4,018,518
$4,277,777 <- player option

Trenton Hassell
$4,350,000
$4,350,000
$4,350,000 <- player option

dave
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Dave McNulla wrote:
> On Oct 12, 3:57 am, levi <l... DeleteThis @visi.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 11, 8:23 pm, Dave McNulla <mcnu... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>> : ...Probably most significantly, Buckner is nearly
>> : $2 million cheaper over the next three seasons,
>> : and I suppose if the Wolves are going with youth
>> : anyway, the vets on the bench can be discounted.
>> :
>> : [Update: A smart reader just informed me that
>> : because Buckner's third year is a team option and
>> : thus not guaranteed, Wolves could save up to $5.79
>> : million in this deal.]
>
> http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/minnesota.htm
>
> that shows it's buckner's option in year four
> Greg Buckner
> $3,780,000
> $3,759,259
> $4,018,518
> $4,277,777 <- player option


SI has it PL-10 too but Patricia has it a team option
http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/contracts
Greg Buckner 7/13/06 5yrs $29.5 million t-opt '09I would take her
information usually over Hoopshype...or it could be both, team option 09-10
and a player option 10-11?
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Terraholm wrote:
> Dave McNulla wrote:


or it could be both, team
> option 09-10 and a player option 10-11?

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/mavs/mavs-news/mavs-con.html

Greg Buckner
Signed a 5 year, $19 million contract 7/13/06 with a team option
for the 4th year and (if the 4th year is picked up) a player option for
the 5th year
Free agent: Summer 2009 (if Dallas doesn't pick up option),
Summer 2010 (if Dallas picks up option and Buckner doesn't pick up
option), else Summer 2011
Contract breakdown:
2006-2007 $3,240,741
2007-2008 $3,500,000
2008-2009 $3,759,259
2009-2010 $4,018,518 [if Dallas picks up option]
2010-2011 $4,276,800 [if 09-10 option picked up and player picks up
option]
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