Have some humble pie, Gilbert

In article <1171255745.736491.219980.TakeThisOut@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Frank Rizzo" <champ91917.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > > Too bad he's only 24, third in the league in scoring, leading a no
> > > defense playing undermanned, no center Washington team to one of the
> > > top records in the conference...
> >
> > Too bad he doesn't know when to shut his mouth. Saying "I'm going to
> > score 50 on them because their coach may have had something to do with
> > what I feel was a personal slight in the off-season" is beyond
> > disrespectful. He's setting himself up to fail, because basketball
> > doesn't work that way.
>
> Too bad he's an all star again....


This doesn't for any reason make me unhappy.

It does make me very happy that an arrogant jerk got his come-uppance at
the hands of a spunky team and a classic hardworking overachiever in
Jarrett Jack.


> > Kudos to Jarrett Jack for giving him the basketball equivalent of a
> > knuckle sandwich.
>
>
> Too bad Jarrett Jack and the Blazers will be watching Gil in the
> playoffs..


This is really personal for you, I guess. I have no idea why. If it were
Kobe, would you be laughing with everyone else?
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On Feb 11, 9:40 pm, Granville Waiters' Ghost <x... RemoveThis @x.x> wrote:

>
> This is really personal for you, I guess. I have no idea why. If it were
> Kobe, would you be laughing with everyone else?

Not personal. I don't know Gil and he doesn't put any money in my
family's pocket. Just disagree with the assessment, which as an
attorney you should recognize that I am entitled to do. Doesn't make
it personal. I like Gil's game. I haven't seen him bum rush a fan in
the stands yet, beat his wife or kids, drop his pants and moon the
crowd, or give less than 100% effort on the floor. So I'm not ready
to classify him with Randy Moss, Rueben Patterson, Melo, Kobe, or Ron
Ron which to me it appears the bulk of the rest of you are doing and
won't admit it. He ran his mouth and didn't back it up. So did
David Robionson pryor to the Spurs V Blazers one year. The only
thing that irks me is that you don't see that you all are lumping him
in the same category as the group I mentioned above. I'm not putting
Gilbert in Robinson's class by any stretch, but expect intelligent
people to recognize the degree of said transgression(s) as opposed to
"other things". I expect more from intelligent folks as yourself.

Rizzo
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Granville Waiters' Ghost wrote:
> In article <53bvs1F1qrkhgU1.RemoveThis@mid.individual.net>,
> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do not put him on that level at all...I would prefer Artest and
>> Patterson were not in the league.
>>
>> However I think there is still room in this business we call a sport
>> for good sportsmanship. If
>> something near assault is where you draw your line on sportsmanship
>> or what is disrespectful to that
>> sport so be it....
>> I have the bar rather higher to call it disrespect for the game and
>> if that is because I am a dumb
>> blond so be it.... =)
>>
>> Zero's disrespect for 2 good coaches because they were involved
>> with the world team is bad enough.
>> But his notion over that being all about him and not the team shows
>> disrespect for the game as a
>> team sport. My guess is he enjoyed the world team losing as personal
>> validation.
>>
>> And after the blazers game Arenas showed worse disrespect for his
>> own coach and his team instead of
>> joking about his blown 50 point prediction. Somewhere even for
>> trash talking it crosses the line
>> into bad sportsmanship when they take it too seriously.
>>
>> 'Sheed is my favorite player but his Techs are a terrible disrespect
>> for the game as much as it is
>> for the officials.
>> I am quite happy that the league is cracking down on that and on
>> him. And when he gets ones he did
>> not deserve it is still his fault. That he feels a victim is as
>> dumb as Arenas feeling he was a
>> victim by not making the world team.
>
>
> You said it better than I could have.

I come from a sport where showing public disrespect for a judge or any show of bad sportsmanship
would get you suspended for a minimum of 3 months...the equivalent of 20 games since our 'season' is
a year. I do not make my living at this sport but many people do.

>
>
>> I was not happy the Blazers showed a little bad sportsmanship by
>> scoring in the last possession when
>> the game was way out of reach. That showed disrespect for the rest
>> of the Wiz and Jordan when it was
>> Arenas on their minds.
>
>
> Who took the last shot? Young players often do that -- Thabo did it
> earlier in the season and I thought Skiles would have a brain seizure.

Dichau, and it was his call since he had the ball....but he missed the layup and Aldridge tipped it
in. And McMillan normally would have been upset but I did not hear anything about it. The play by
play says they got it with 24 seconds left so perhaps the shot clock was still on and he did not
want it as another turn over.

> Duhon and Gordon immediately bracketed him and were presumably
> explaining that you don't do that in the NBA -- Sefolosha had a look
> on his face like a kid that just broke... well... the headband rule.
> :-)

Some blazer did that to Denver one time because the crowd was chanting for their food at 100
points... back when that was a new thing. The denver coach was really pissed but when it was
explained to him (and after the Portland player and coach apologized) he asked for coupons so they
could have chalupas on the way to the airport in the team bus...=)


--
Laurel T
"I told him, 'Coach, there's an ocean out there.
Let me go swimming,"' Bonzi Wells
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In article <53ctbvF1s1mc8U1.TakeThisOut@mid.individual.net>,
"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>> I'm not ashamed, I'm acknowledging I like the guy as a "homer" as
> >>> you said. But I really don't understand the hatred....I could
> >>> understand it towards Patterson or Kobe et al...
> >>
> >> We do not hate him, we hate his bad sportsmanship in this ongoing
> >> pout over the world team cut and his attitude towards the game that
> >> he expresses publicly.
> >> Can you see the difference?
> >
> > Some in here don't speak about him as if they just hate the act. They
> > hate him...
>
> I have not seen that. I think GWG and I are on the same page with it. Despite
> our glee over him
> needing to eat crow on this one. If he dishes it out what does he expect?



Nobody's said it.

Babe Ruth became a legend for calling a shot. Imagine if he called it
six months in advance for some perceived personal slight and then struck
out on three pitched balls. I'd laugh. Sadistic glee at the spectacle of
the arrogant brought down to the level of the common has been a social
hallmark of every society since the Hebrews wrote a story about a giant
and a kid with a slingshot.

Frank is just irrational on this point. It's okay, I'm irrational about
spelling E---- R-------'s name out. We all have our quirks.
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>> Frank is just irrational on this point.
>
>> It's okay, I'm irrational
>> about spelling E---- R-------'s name out. We all have our quirks.
>
> Seems rational enough to me to forgive the quirks on the players you
> like... ;-)
> A little more schedenfruede I can not resist (sorry Frank) ...a new
> nickname I saw in the oregonlive blog... Fauxstradamus...

The "they made up" article...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2763866

But after their meeting Monday, Jordan said he and and Arenas had worked things out.

"What's important is that Gil and I got together and talked, and things are very, very positive,"
Jordan said.


"The way we finished our meeting you would have never known something bad had been written," Arenas
told The Washington Times. "Everybody is on the same page. The air is cleared."

He also told the Times that Jordan's criticism of his leadership didn't bother him.

"Eddie has been trying to groom me into a leader since I got here," Arenas told the newspaper. "As a
player it's hard for me because when you are a leader you have to have a perfect air about you. My
leadership is different. I'm not going to be the guy who speaks up all the time. My role is to keep
the locker room loose. At the same time I put the pressure on myself and try to take it off of the
other guys. But in our locker room there is no question who the leader is. It's Antawn. So no, I
didn't take offense to what Eddie said."

Jamison, who has missed five games with a knee injury, also took Arenas aside for a talking-to.

Arenas has one of the most colorful personalities in the league and often speaks his mind, but this
was going too far.



"I talked to him," Jamison said. "He's like a little brother you've got to spank every once in a
while. I put him in the closet and whooped his [butt] last night."




"He's just frustrated of late," Jamison said. "He knows he made some mistakes, and he's going to do
everything possible to patch things up and go out there and do something on the court. ... He's got
to understand that he's one of the well-known basketball players in the NBA, so no matter what is
said and done, he's definitely under a microscope, and he just has to be more cautious and choose
what comes out of his mouth. He realizes that."
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On Feb 14, 7:41 am, "td" <deck....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 11:22 pm, "Frank Rizzo" <champ91....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > coach had to say about him and his
> > > poistion on the team after that foolishness
> > > with Portland. The guys a boob and
> > > deserves his mocking.
>
> > > td
>
> > Arenas said his relationship with Jordan is good.
>
> > "It was blown out of proportion. We had a little bump, and we can fix
> > it now," Arenas said.
>
> > Jordan has said the team needs to find new leadership during Jamison's
> > absence. Arenas, who had an unsuccessful stint as a co-captain last
> > season, said he is not the solution.
>
> > "I'm a goof. C'mon, everyone knows that," Arenas said. "I look at my
> > elders as the leaders. I don't want nobody looking at me. How can I
> > tell somebody 'Don't shoot that shot' when I'm out there chucking
> > 'em?"
>
> I think you're making everybody's point Frank.
>
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I don't see it that way at all. It's consistent.

Rizzo
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On Feb 12, 1:49 pm, "Frank Rizzo" <champ91....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Disrespected the game huh? I think that is a bit of an
> overstatement. Carmelo Anthony disrespected the game. Ron Artest
> disrespected the game. Eddie Griffin disrespected the game. Gil just
> ran his mouth and didn't back it up on this occasion.

Oh, come off it, every freshman anthropology student knows the
Cadillac Indian tribe considered it a sign of great respect to crash
your horse while masturbating. Eddie can't help it if you people won't
crack a book.
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On Feb 15, 5:53 am, "td" <deck... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 14, 9:11 pm, "Frank Rizzo" <champ91... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see it that way at all. It's consistent.
>
> > Rizzo-
>
> Well....I guess we've all had a crush
> on a fat ugly girl at one time and just
> couldn't understand why our friends
> laughed at us......I hope you two
> cherish your time together Frank.
>
> td

Actually that speaks volumes about you. I hope you and that walrus
looking chick have a nice shower together.

Rizzo
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