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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:56 pm
Post subject: kobevision
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good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making excuses
for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in laker
land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs. all the
young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here. damn.
then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and realize
that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he didn't
want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to the
effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering whether
karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet like
malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be different
if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people out.
but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not yet.
and at this rate, he never will be.
kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his way
all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick to
make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system. classic
denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't afford
not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's wrong with
both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that the
setting is tinsletown, huh. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 11:01 pm
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"mc" <mellowcat RemoveThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making excuses
> for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in laker
> land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs. all
> the
> young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here.
> damn.
>
> then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and realize
> that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he didn't
> want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to the
> effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering
> whether
> karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet like
> malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be
> different
> if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people out.
> but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not yet.
> and at this rate, he never will be.
>
> kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his way
> all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick to
> make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
> self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system.
> classic
> denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't afford
> not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's wrong
> with
> both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that the
> setting is tinsletown, huh.
>
For any baseball fans this is also known as the Pedro Guerrero theory. : )
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 11:59 am
Post subject: Re: kobevision [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Swillabrew wrote:
> "mc" <mellowcat.TakeThisOut@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:uAOvd.79731$fY.71023@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
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>>good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making excuses
>>for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in laker
>>land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs. all
>>the
>>young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here.
>>damn.
>>
>>then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and realize
>>that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he didn't
>>want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to the
>>effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering
>>whether
>>karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet like
>>malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be
>>different
>>if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people out.
>>but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not yet.
>>and at this rate, he never will be.
>>
>>kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his way
>>all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick to
>>make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
>>self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system.
>>classic
>>denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't afford
>>not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's wrong
>>with
>>both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that the
>>setting is tinsletown, huh.
>>
>
>
> For any baseball fans this is also known as the Pedro Guerrero theory. : )
I was a huge fan of Pedro Guerrero, but I don't get the connection. Is
it the Prima Donna thing?
Damn, I hated that trade. The Dodgers got John Tudor for all of six
starts, but the Dodgers won a championship anyway, so Fred Claire got
congratulations.
Of course, I had know idea how much I could hate a baseball trade until
about ten years later...
Oooh, don't get me started...... >> Stay informed about: kobevision |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:48 pm
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"Miguel M" <MickBarr DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Swillabrew wrote:
>
>> "mc" <mellowcat DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:uAOvd.79731$fY.71023@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
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>>>good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making excuses
>>>for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in laker
>>>land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs. all
>>>the
>>>young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here.
>>>damn.
>>>
>>>then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and realize
>>>that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he
>>>didn't
>>>want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to the
>>>effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering
>>>whether
>>>karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet like
>>>malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be
>>>different
>>>if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people
>>>out.
>>>but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not yet.
>>>and at this rate, he never will be.
>>>
>>>kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his way
>>>all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick to
>>>make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
>>>self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system.
>>>classic
>>>denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't afford
>>>not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's wrong
>>>with
>>>both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that the
>>>setting is tinsletown, huh.
>>>
>>
>>
>> For any baseball fans this is also known as the Pedro Guerrero theory.
>> : )
>
> I was a huge fan of Pedro Guerrero, but I don't get the connection. Is it
> the Prima Donna thing?
>
I'm a Pads fan so I was glad to see him go (he killed our pitchers).
The theory (& I admit it's my own) was based on the scuffles Pedro had with
guys on the Dodgers. If my memory serves, it went like this:
Pedro & Sax get into a shoving match in the dugout &/or locker room.
Everyone says, "Well, that Saxy, he can be a hot head sometimes."
Then Pedro gets into it with Tommy. Everyone says, "Lasorda is so
passionate, etc."
Finally, it's Pedro & Mike Marshall. Someone says, "Hmmm, anyone notice
it's always Pedro & somebody else?"
Pedro is then traded. Go figure. : )
Go Blazers !
> Damn, I hated that trade. The Dodgers got John Tudor for all of six
> starts, but the Dodgers won a championship anyway, so Fred Claire got
> congratulations.
>
> Of course, I had know idea how much I could hate a baseball trade until
> about ten years later...
>
> Oooh, don't get me started...... >> Stay informed about: kobevision |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 12:06 am
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Swillabrew wrote:
> "Miguel M" <MickBarr.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:32bjdnF3l0ji2U1@individual.net...
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>>Swillabrew wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"mc" <mellowcat.DeleteThis@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>news:uAOvd.79731$fY.71023@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making excuses
>>>>for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in laker
>>>>land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs. all
>>>>the
>>>>young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here.
>>>>damn.
>>>>
>>>>then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and realize
>>>>that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he
>>>>didn't
>>>>want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to the
>>>>effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering
>>>>whether
>>>>karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet like
>>>>malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be
>>>>different
>>>>if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people
>>>>out.
>>>>but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not yet.
>>>>and at this rate, he never will be.
>>>>
>>>>kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his way
>>>>all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick to
>>>>make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
>>>>self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system.
>>>>classic
>>>>denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't afford
>>>>not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's wrong
>>>>with
>>>>both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that the
>>>>setting is tinsletown, huh.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>For any baseball fans this is also known as the Pedro Guerrero theory.
>>> : )
>>
>>I was a huge fan of Pedro Guerrero, but I don't get the connection. Is it
>>the Prima Donna thing?
>>
>
>
> I'm a Pads fan so I was glad to see him go (he killed our pitchers).
>
> The theory (& I admit it's my own) was based on the scuffles Pedro had with
> guys on the Dodgers. If my memory serves, it went like this:
>
> Pedro & Sax get into a shoving match in the dugout &/or locker room.
> Everyone says, "Well, that Saxy, he can be a hot head sometimes."
>
> Then Pedro gets into it with Tommy. Everyone says, "Lasorda is so
> passionate, etc."
>
> Finally, it's Pedro & Mike Marshall. Someone says, "Hmmm, anyone notice
> it's always Pedro & somebody else?"
They shoulda said, "That Marshall is what the old school used to call a
'malingerer'." >> Stay informed about: kobevision |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:33 pm
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Swillabrew wrote:
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> "Miguel M" <MickBarr DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:32bjdnF3l0ji2U1@individual.net...
> > Swillabrew wrote:
> >
> >> "mc" <mellowcat DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> news:uAOvd.79731$fY.71023@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >>
> >>>good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making excuses
> >>>for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in laker
> >>>land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs. all
> >>>the
> >>>young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here.
> >>>damn.
> >>>
> >>>then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and realize
> >>>that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he
> >>>didn't
> >>>want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to the
> >>>effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering
> >>>whether
> >>>karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet like
> >>>malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be
> >>>different
> >>>if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people
> >>>out.
> >>>but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not yet.
> >>>and at this rate, he never will be.
> >>>
> >>>kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his way
> >>>all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick to
> >>>make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
> >>>self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system.
> >>>classic
> >>>denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't afford
> >>>not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's wrong
> >>>with
> >>>both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that the
> >>>setting is tinsletown, huh.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> For any baseball fans this is also known as the Pedro Guerrero theory.
> >> : )
> >
> > I was a huge fan of Pedro Guerrero, but I don't get the connection. Is it
> > the Prima Donna thing?
> >
>
> I'm a Pads fan so I was glad to see him go (he killed our pitchers).
>
> The theory (& I admit it's my own) was based on the scuffles Pedro had with
> guys on the Dodgers. If my memory serves, it went like this:
>
> Pedro & Sax get into a shoving match in the dugout &/or locker room.
> Everyone says, "Well, that Saxy, he can be a hot head sometimes."
>
> Then Pedro gets into it with Tommy. Everyone says, "Lasorda is so
> passionate, etc."
>
> Finally, it's Pedro & Mike Marshall. Someone says, "Hmmm, anyone notice
> it's always Pedro & somebody else?"
That is a good analogy.
Pedro issued one of my favorite lines when Sax was throwing balls to
Chatsworth and Pedro himself was playing way out of position at 3rd late
one game (maybe a long extra inning?)
Asked what he was thinking: "Don't hit it to me!"
Asked what else: "Don't hit it to Sax!!!"
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Gary Collard
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2004 6:33 pm
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"Gary Collard" <cwebbsucks DeleteThis @netscape.net> wrote in message
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> Swillabrew wrote:
>>
>> "Miguel M" <MickBarr DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:32bjdnF3l0ji2U1@individual.net...
>> > Swillabrew wrote:
>> >
>> >> "mc" <mellowcat DeleteThis @bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:uAOvd.79731$fY.71023@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> >>
>> >>>good god people. how much longer are you fools gonna keep making
>> >>>excuses
>> >>>for kobe? he's the common denominator in all the squabbles over in
>> >>>laker
>> >>>land. kobe vs. shaq. kobe vs. phil. now kobe vs. karl. kobe vs.
>> >>>all
>> >>>the
>> >>>young, new lakers. do the friggin' math and connect a few dots here.
>> >>>damn.
>> >>>
>> >>>then listen to what the rest of the nondelusional world hears and
>> >>>realize
>> >>>that kobe's accusations are probably retaliation for karl saying he
>> >>>didn't
>> >>>want to play for the lakers after kobe absurdly stated something to
>> >>>the
>> >>>effect of "we shouldn't have to look over their shoulders, wondering
>> >>>whether
>> >>>karl is going to rejoin the team." what the hell is a seasoned vet
>> >>>like
>> >>>malone *supposed* to think of a statement like that? it would be
>> >>>different
>> >>>if kobe was a true leader who commanded respect and could call people
>> >>>out.
>> >>>but he isn't. maybe he believes he's that person but he ain't. not
>> >>>yet.
>> >>>and at this rate, he never will be.
>> >>>
>> >>>kobe is behaving like most spoiled young adults act. he wants it his
>> >>>way
>> >>>all the time and he's never willing to accept any blame. always quick
>> >>>to
>> >>>make excuses and accuse others. then surrounds himself with similar
>> >>>self-centered individuals who support his egocentric belief system.
>> >>>classic
>> >>>denial. and the laker franchise is allowing it because they can't
>> >>>afford
>> >>>not too. pathetic and shameful. it represents everything that's
>> >>>wrong
>> >>>with
>> >>>both professional basketball and society today. no big surprise that
>> >>>the
>> >>>setting is tinsletown, huh.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> For any baseball fans this is also known as the Pedro Guerrero theory.
>> >> : )
>> >
>> > I was a huge fan of Pedro Guerrero, but I don't get the connection. Is
>> > it
>> > the Prima Donna thing?
>> >
>>
>> I'm a Pads fan so I was glad to see him go (he killed our pitchers).
>>
>> The theory (& I admit it's my own) was based on the scuffles Pedro had
>> with
>> guys on the Dodgers. If my memory serves, it went like this:
>>
>> Pedro & Sax get into a shoving match in the dugout &/or locker room.
>> Everyone says, "Well, that Saxy, he can be a hot head sometimes."
>>
>> Then Pedro gets into it with Tommy. Everyone says, "Lasorda is so
>> passionate, etc."
>>
>> Finally, it's Pedro & Mike Marshall. Someone says, "Hmmm, anyone notice
>> it's always Pedro & somebody else?"
>
> That is a good analogy.
>
> Pedro issued one of my favorite lines when Sax was throwing balls to
> Chatsworth and Pedro himself was playing way out of position at 3rd late
> one game (maybe a long extra inning?)
>
> Asked what he was thinking: "Don't hit it to me!"
> Asked what else: "Don't hit it to Sax!!!"
>
While I enjoyed being a Dodger-hater for years, it was always hard to
dislike Saxy. Not only did he hustle all the time & get his uni dirty every
game; we could usually count of him to air mail a throw to 1st into the 8th
row in the late innings. What a guy. : )
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