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>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who will
>> be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I would like
>> to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next season. I say trade
>> those guy's for artest and a big.
>
> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either. Kind
> of another Madsen, don't you think?

A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and finish
strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.


> I wish him well for 78 games out of the season as he really is a nice guy
> but Ronny just wasn't a make-or-break kind of player.

If we're reduced to keeping only the make-or-break players, then the
Lakers won't make it out of the WC next season. This is a significant step
backward for the bench, at least.


> Funny thing was, there were times I thought he could be. Every so often,
> he'd tease you with a few games that showed a surprising effectiveness...
> you can't fault the guy's hustle but I thought he took a step backward
> this year though (remember that month-plus where he just seemed to refuse
> to shoot the ball in the paint?) and while he wouldn't be a bad guy to
> have around I certainly don't fault Buss for not wanting to have to pay
> $10M per season for the privilege of having the NBA's most entertaining
> cheerleader give 15 MPG of so-so play.

$10M per season? How about $4M?
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>> wouldn't be a bad guy to have around I certainly don't fault Buss for
>> not wanting to have to pay $10M per season for the privilege of having
>> the NBA's most entertaining cheerleader give 15 MPG of so-so play.
>
> $10M per season? How about $4M?

Not to mention he started several games for LA when Drew went down.
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>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who will
>>> be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I would like
>>> to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next season. I say trade
>>> those guy's for artest and a big.
>>
>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either. Kind
>> of another Madsen, don't you think?
>
> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and finish
> strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>

Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a whole lot
more effective especially for his new asking price and (possibly) playing
expectations. And when you consider that with Drew back, the Lakers have 3
other guys who can play PF more effectively, his value diminishes
considerably. If Rony required game minutes to improve his game, then
keeping him would have not only been financially imprudent of the Lakers,
but would have further retarded Rony's development because he wasn't going
to get more minutes (barring injury).

So, even though I'm mildy surprised because Mitch talked about wanting to
keep both Rony and Sacha, letting Rony go is probably best for all concerned
at least for the foreseeable future.

Greg
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>> spr272000.TakeThisOut@netzero.net wrote:
>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who will
>>> be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I would like
>>> to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next season. I say
>>> trade those guy's for artest and a big.
>>
>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either. Kind
>> of another Madsen, don't you think?
>
> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and
> finish strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>
>
>> I wish him well for 78 games out of the season as he really is a
>> nice guy but Ronny just wasn't a make-or-break kind of player.
>
> If we're reduced to keeping only the make-or-break players, then
> the Lakers won't make it out of the WC next season. This is a
> significant step backward for the bench, at least.
>
>
>> Funny thing was, there were times I thought he could be. Every so
>> often, he'd tease you with a few games that showed a surprising
>> effectiveness... you can't fault the guy's hustle but I thought he
>> took a step backward this year though (remember that month-plus
>> where he just seemed to refuse to shoot the ball in the paint?) and
>> while he wouldn't be a bad guy to have around I certainly don't
>> fault Buss for not wanting to have to pay $10M per season for the
>> privilege of having the NBA's most entertaining cheerleader give 15
>> MPG of so-so play.
>
> $10M per season? How about $4M?

Heh.... Miguel, I love Ronny and quite a few times during the season I
commented on how great it was to have him giving it his all out there. But
as the season progressed, I didn't like what I saw... the Lakers lost 2
starting centers this season which should have given Ronny ample opportunity
to prove how invaluable he was to the Lakers. I'd describe his performance
as adequate... about what you'd expect from an undersized backup center.

I think it's telling that when the Lakers hit the postseason, Ronny's
minutes were drastically cut. He only got 7 minutes TOTAL in the entire
Nuggets series (to be fair, he must have been hurt, right?) and he played
only 10 MPG in each of the WCSF, WCF, and Finals rounds. Which given what
he gave while out there was about right, IMO. He went from scoring 6.6 pts
with 3.9 rebs on 47% shooting in the reg season to 2 pts and 1.4 rebs on 39%
shooting in the playoffs.

There is a decent chance that Ronny was never truly healthy this year as
apparently he was fighting some sort of hip injury all season. It might be
the same thing as Luke Walton where a guy (we hope) just isn't quite himself
physically because of some injury but he's tough enough to keep playing...
but of course plays worse.

I do think his absence does leave a hole on the roster that Chris Mihm is
*not* going to be able to fill. I'd be very happy if LA brought in Kurt
Thomas to fill his role.

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>> Funny thing was, there were times I thought he could be. Every so
>> often, he'd tease you with a few games that showed a surprising
>> effectiveness... you can't fault the guy's hustle but I thought he
>> took a step backward this year though (remember that month-plus
>> where he just seemed to refuse to shoot the ball in the paint?) and
>> while he wouldn't be a bad guy to have around I certainly don't
>> fault Buss for not wanting to have to pay $10M per season for the
>> privilege of having the NBA's most entertaining cheerleader give 15
>> MPG of so-so play.
>
> $10M per season? How about $4M?

You are forgetting the luxury tax.
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>>> spr272000.RemoveThis@netzero.net wrote:
>>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who will
>>>> be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I would like
>>>> to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next season. I say trade
>>>> those guy's for artest and a big.
>>>
>>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>>
>> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and finish
>> strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>>
>
> Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a whole lot
> more effective especially for his new asking price and (possibly) playing
> expectations. And when you consider that with Drew back, the Lakers have 3
> other guys who can play PF more effectively, his value diminishes
> considerably.

I count only two other PF on last year's Laker roster better than
Turiaf - Gasol and Odom. This will end up costing the Lakers more because
now they have to keep Odom, and at a much higher price.
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>>> spr272000.DeleteThis@netzero.net wrote:
>>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who will
>>>> be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I would like
>>>> to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next season. I say trade
>>>> those guy's for artest and a big.
>>>
>>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>>
>> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and finish
>> strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>>
>
> Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a whole lot
> more effective especially for his new asking price and (possibly) playing
> expectations. And when you consider that with Drew back, the Lakers have 3
> other guys who can play PF more effectively, his value diminishes
> considerably.

I count only two other PF on last year's Laker roster better than
Turiaf - Gasol and Odom. This will end up costing the Lakers more because
now they have to keep Odom, and at a much higher price.
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> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.  Kind of
> another Madsen, don't you think?

Madsen? Please. Ronny got 6.6/3.9 in 18 minutes last year. The best
Madsen ever did in his career was 3.6/3.8 in 17.

Both are high energy bench guys but Ronny can actually dance.

Ronny's big problems are he seemed to have chronic back and hip
problems and he really needs to work on his outside shot. In the
playoffs, he didn't play much because the other team simply ignored
him on defense and packed the paint letting him have wide open 20 foot
shots.

I didn't expect the Lakers to match the front-loaded GS offer and they
didn't. Ronny would be behind Gasol/Odom on the depth chart and
wouldn't get a lot of playing time anyway. This does tell me that
they are going to keep Lamar and not trade him for a small 3. Lamar
can play the 3 or 4 while many small forwards cannot.
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>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>
> Madsen? Please. Ronny got 6.6/3.9 in 18 minutes last year. The best
> Madsen ever did in his career was 3.6/3.8 in 17.
>
> Both are high energy bench guys but Ronny can actually dance.
>
> Ronny's big problems are he seemed to have chronic back and hip
> problems and he really needs to work on his outside shot. In the
> playoffs, he didn't play much because the other team simply ignored
> him on defense and packed the paint letting him have wide open 20 foot
> shots.

And this excuses Ronny because...?

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>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either. Kind
>> of
>> another Madsen, don't you think?
>
> Madsen? Please. Ronny got 6.6/3.9 in 18 minutes last year. The best
> Madsen ever did in his career was 3.6/3.8 in 17.
>
> Both are high energy bench guys but Ronny can actually dance.
>
> Ronny's big problems are he seemed to have chronic back and hip
> problems and he really needs to work on his outside shot. In the
> playoffs, he didn't play much because the other team simply ignored
> him on defense and packed the paint letting him have wide open 20 foot
> shots.

His outside shot is usually pretty reliable when he has an open look.
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>>>> spr272000 RemoveThis @netzero.net wrote:
>>>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who
>>>>> will be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I
>>>>> would like to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next
>>>>> season. I say trade those guy's for artest and a big.
>>>>
>>>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>>>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>>>
>>> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and
>>> finish strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>>>
>>
>> Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a
>> whole lot more effective especially for his new asking price and
>> (possibly) playing expectations. And when you consider that with
>> Drew back, the Lakers have 3 other guys who can play PF more
>> effectively, his value diminishes considerably.
>
> I count only two other PF on last year's Laker roster better than
> Turiaf - Gasol and Odom. This will end up costing the Lakers more
> because now they have to keep Odom, and at a much higher price.

And a much better player.

So how many other PFs were there on the Lakers roster last year?

Mbenga C
Mihm C
Gasol C/PF
Odom PF
Turiaf PF
Walton SF
Rad SF
Ariza SF
Newble SF

Looks like Turiaf was third in a three-man race... and it wasn't even
close.

Look, like I said, I really like Ronny and I think he was fine as a sub who
played 15-18 MPG. But I think you're overblowing his contributions to the
team. I just don't see him as a make-or-break role player. Sasha is
make-or-break. So is Fisher. I think Ariza truly has that potential for
this season.

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>>>>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who
>>>>>> will be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I
>>>>>> would like to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next
>>>>>> season. I say trade those guy's for artest and a big.
>>>>>
>>>>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>>>>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>>>>
>>>> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and
>>>> finish strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a
>>> whole lot more effective especially for his new asking price and
>>> (possibly) playing expectations. And when you consider that with
>>> Drew back, the Lakers have 3 other guys who can play PF more
>>> effectively, his value diminishes considerably.
>>
>> I count only two other PF on last year's Laker roster better than
>> Turiaf - Gasol and Odom. This will end up costing the Lakers more
>> because now they have to keep Odom, and at a much higher price.
>
> And a much better player.
>
> So how many other PFs were there on the Lakers roster last year?
>
> Mbenga C

Rookie in Triangle.

> Mihm C

Mihm PF/C - Injured.

> Gasol C/PF

Except Gasol played all C with Drew down.

> Odom PF

Odom PF/SF

> Turiaf PF

Turiaf PF/C

> Looks like Turiaf was third in a three-man race... and it wasn't even
> close.

So that made Ronny the backup at both PF/C.

> Look, like I said, I really like Ronny and I think he was fine as a sub
> who played 15-18 MPG. But I think you're overblowing his contributions
> to the team. I just don't see him as a make-or-break role player.
> Sasha is make-or-break. So is Fisher. I think Ariza truly has that
> potential for this season.

He's also one of the best liked players and a great cheerleader.
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>>>>> spr272000 DeleteThis @netzero.net wrote:
>>>>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who
>>>>>> will be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I
>>>>>> would like to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next
>>>>>> season. I say trade those guy's for artest and a big.
>>>>>
>>>>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>>>>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>>>>
>>>> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and
>>>> finish strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a
>>> whole lot more effective especially for his new asking price and
>>> (possibly) playing expectations. And when you consider that with
>>> Drew back, the Lakers have 3 other guys who can play PF more
>>> effectively, his value diminishes considerably.
>>
>> I count only two other PF on last year's Laker roster better than
>> Turiaf - Gasol and Odom. This will end up costing the Lakers more
>> because now they have to keep Odom, and at a much higher price.
>
> And a much better player.

And far more overpaid even relative to being a better player.


> So how many other PFs were there on the Lakers roster last year?
>
> Gasol C/PF
> Odom PF

Ironmen they're not. Nor are they particularly tough inside. The
team's centers aren't anything to be confused with "durable" either. Good
luck with that.
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