did the lakers not have enough money for turiaf or what ?

> He went from scoring 6.6 pts
> with 3.9 rebs on 47% shooting in the reg season to 2 pts and
> 1.4 rebs on 39%
> shooting in the playoffs.

Yeah, he folded in the playoffs and was completely dominated on the
boards. I also don't understand how people can call him "tough"
unless they mean that he isn't afraid to block shots. Unfortunately
he also fouls a lot when he goes for the block.

He was a decent 2nd round pickup but a critical piece of the Laker
team, he was not.

>
> There is a decent chance that Ronny was never truly healthy this year as
> apparently he was fighting some sort of hip injury all season.

He has chronic hip and back problems.
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> Didn't he get ejected from one and suspended the next?

He was ejected with a flagrant 2 in one of the Utah games but not
suspended.
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>>>>>>> one of the few guy's on there front line that was not soft. who
>>>>>>> will be backups at the center and power forward posistions ? I
>>>>>>> would like to see odom, vlad, luke, mihn, benga all gone next
>>>>>>> season. I say trade those guy's for artest and a big.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He might not have ben soft but he wasn't terribly effective either.
>>>>>> Kind of another Madsen, don't you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> A Madsen who could shoot, pass, block shots, run the court, and
>>>>> finish strong around the basket. Yeah, they're practically twins.
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>>>> Rony was definitely a better player than Mad Dog but still not a
>>>> whole lot more effective especially for his new asking price and
>>>> (possibly) playing expectations. And when you consider that with
>>>> Drew back, the Lakers have 3 other guys who can play PF more
>>>> effectively, his value diminishes considerably.
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>>> I count only two other PF on last year's Laker roster better than
>>> Turiaf - Gasol and Odom. This will end up costing the Lakers more
>>> because now they have to keep Odom, and at a much higher price.
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>> And a much better player.
>
> And far more overpaid even relative to being a better player.

I don't think so. In the NBA, you pay a premium for above-average talent,
unless someone's on a rookie contract. The market goes nuts for guys like
Odom in their highly productive years.

I do think Odom is overpaid, but the comparsion isn't even close. I agree
with Gary's assessment that Ronny "should be" a $2-$2.5M per season guy.
Odom is a "should be" $8-$10M guy.

Overpaying an average NBA backup by double is worse than paying a
well-above-average starter by 30 or 40 percent, IMO.

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>> So how many other PFs were there on the Lakers roster last year?
>>
>> Gasol C/PF
>> Odom PF
>
> Ironmen they're not. Nor are they particularly tough inside. The
> team's centers aren't anything to be confused with "durable" either. Good
> luck with that.

Oh I agree with all that, but I don't think that's the salient point... I
think the better question is "Is Ronny the best guy to address those
issues?"

With his track record it's definitely not a given and at $10M next season
I'd say "absolutely not."

The Lakers are looking for pieces to improve on the weaknesses that were
exposed in the playoffs. As you mention, toughness was a real problem for
them on the inside. I think depth on the inside was a big issue too as
Ronny played poorly throughout the playoffs. I'd think they could do better
on a 1 or 2-year rental of a vet with something left in the tank and playoff
experience.

The Lakers are doing the right thing by looking elsewhere.

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>> His outside shot is usually pretty reliable when he has an >open look.
>
> If you mean 12 feet in, OK. If you mean 13+ feet out, no.

Right, if that. He shot a tolerable .346 on jumpers during the year, but
basically benched himself by dropping that to .269 in the playoffs. And
jumpers became almost all of his "offense" as they went from 53% of his
shots in the regular season to 72% of them in the playoffs.

I love the guy, but I don't love playing 4 on 5.

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>> His outside shot is usually pretty reliable when he has an >open look.
>
> If you mean 12 feet in, OK. If you mean 13+ feet out, no.

I mean out to about 18 feet. Yes.
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