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You wouldn't want to be anywhere around Colorado if that happened!!!

Goldfinger wrote:

> "TenKMan" <Fred.TakeThisOut@Fred.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>>>I think he means lack of QUALITY talent coming off the bench... I'd
>>
>>say
>>
>>>they do have that at small forward, not point guard though. Derek
>>>Fisher? Kind of old at the PF postion. They don't really need depth at
>>>SG and C though. How long is Kobe going to rest... honestly.
>>
>>Five years maybe?
>
>
> I'm afraid it will be longer, much longer than that. Check out the recent
> chat transcript on espn.com, one lawyer said if Kobe were to be convicted,
> it would be for mandatory life sentence becasue of a recent law change in
> Colorado. Even if Kobe were to be granted parole, it would be for an
> extremely long sentence like 15-20 years. Let's see, what good would a 39
> years old Kobe do for the Lakers?
>
>
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>
>
> Who is calling him a superstar?

At 45 mils for 6 years, that's close to a superstar salary.

> All the Spurs want out of him is the ability to be a competent
> starter. If they got a guy at Divac's level, they would be very
> pleased. Bradley hasn't been a 12 and 8 guy is a while.

If you just want serviceable centre, you might as well get of those Bulls'
Scott Williams/Stacey King/Luc Longely kind of center by committee deals.
At least you have three guys with three pairs of fresh legs every game and
they are much cheaper than Nesterovic's price tag.
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In article <2BRZa.1703401$Ho4.12109859@news.easynews.com>, "Goldfinger"
<goldfgh.TakeThisOut@telus.net> wrote:


>
> "s_knight8" <s_knight8.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
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027/1006/
> SPORTS
>>
>> San Antonio Spurs
>>
>> On paper, the defending NBA champions appear to have upgraded their
>> roster with the additions of Rasho Nesterovic, Ron Mercer, Hedo
>> Turkoglu, Robert Horry and Anthony Carter. If coach Gregg Popovich and
>> guard Tony Parker can make up over the courting of Jason Kidd, they
>> should be favored to repeat.
>
> This time next year, Nesterovic will be regarded as the most overrated
> acquisition of the season. Haven't the GMs seen enought stiff white big men
> who couldn't jump already?


Hedo and maybe Mercer are upgrades if by upgrade we actually mean upgrade.
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In article <kkrfjvglf1spkrvbleno2b2s7fgg30fh3a.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Marcus Kwan
<mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote:


> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:08:54 GMT, JWC <cook47.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Not against The Lakers,Kings,Suns,and Timberwolves!!!
>>
>
> So, you think that Rasho will not be able to average 12 and 8 against
> these four teams?


What part didn't you understand?
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh.TakeThisOut@telus.net>
wrote:

>
>"Marcus Kwan" <mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote in message
>news:p22gjv0sej8nopmmt0ns5ae5fjepu58v9b@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> Who is calling him a superstar?
>
>At 45 mils for 6 years, that's close to a superstar salary.
>

42 mill over 6 years is 7 mill a year-this is not superstar money, or
even close. 12 mill a year is superstar money. 6 mill is basic
starter money.

>> All the Spurs want out of him is the ability to be a competent
>> starter. If they got a guy at Divac's level, they would be very
>> pleased. Bradley hasn't been a 12 and 8 guy is a while.
>
>If you just want serviceable centre, you might as well get of those Bulls'
>Scott Williams/Stacey King/Luc Longely kind of center by committee deals.
>At least you have three guys with three pairs of fresh legs every game and
>they are much cheaper than Nesterovic's price tag.
>

Serviceable centers even have a high price tag. Look at what Raf
LaFrentz and Brad Miller just signed.
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:11:41 GMT, Marcus Kwan <mnospamkwan1 RemoveThis @gte.net> wrote in
<ci8gjv0qn35qpi7im8ea3bb1bf673e9j1a RemoveThis @4ax.com>:

>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh RemoveThis @telus.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Marcus Kwan" <mnospamkwan1 RemoveThis @gte.net> wrote in message
>>news:p22gjv0sej8nopmmt0ns5ae5fjepu58v9b@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>
>>> Who is calling him a superstar?
>>
>>At 45 mils for 6 years, that's close to a superstar salary.
>>
>
>42 mill over 6 years is 7 mill a year-this is not superstar money, or
>even close. 12 mill a year is superstar money. 6 mill is basic
>starter money.
>

Ah, I always love a legitimate opportunity to quote myself:

>Median Salary for Starters, non-starting Regular Players, and
>non-regular players. (In millions of dollars.)
>
> Starters Regulars nonRegs | ALL
> |
>PG 4.38 2.01 0.92 | 1.77
>SG 6.76 1.73 0.93 | 2.50
>SF 4.55 2.53 0.87 | 2.37
>PF 5.93 2.35 1.03 | 1.92
>C 6.05 3.62 1.42 | 2.54
>------------------------------------------------
>ALL 5.19 2.37 1.01 | 2.24

$6 million per is indeed basic starter money for centers. Now, Nesterovich may
not be Sean Rooks, but he's still pretty decent. My second Official 2003-04
Prediction: he will outplay Olowakandi, easily.

>>> All the Spurs want out of him is the ability to be a competent
>>> starter. If they got a guy at Divac's level, they would be very
>>> pleased. Bradley hasn't been a 12 and 8 guy is a while.
>>
>>If you just want serviceable centre, you might as well get of those Bulls'
>>Scott Williams/Stacey King/Luc Longely kind of center by committee deals.
>>At least you have three guys with three pairs of fresh legs every game and
>>they are much cheaper than Nesterovic's price tag.
>>
>
>Serviceable centers even have a high price tag. Look at what Raf
>LaFrentz and Brad Miller just signed.

Miller's more than just "serviceable," I think: he made an all-star out of a
one-dimensional player like Jermaine O'Neal, and plays Shaq as well as anybody
in the league.

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:22:38 GMT, igor eduardo küpfer
<strudel.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:11:41 GMT, Marcus Kwan <mnospamkwan1.RemoveThis@gte.net> wrote in
><ci8gjv0qn35qpi7im8ea3bb1bf673e9j1a.RemoveThis@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh.RemoveThis@telus.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Marcus Kwan" <mnospamkwan1.RemoveThis@gte.net> wrote in message
>>>news:p22gjv0sej8nopmmt0ns5ae5fjepu58v9b@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who is calling him a superstar?
>>>
>>>At 45 mils for 6 years, that's close to a superstar salary.
>>>
>>
>>42 mill over 6 years is 7 mill a year-this is not superstar money, or
>>even close. 12 mill a year is superstar money. 6 mill is basic
>>starter money.
>>
>
>Ah, I always love a legitimate opportunity to quote myself:
>
>>Median Salary for Starters, non-starting Regular Players, and
>>non-regular players. (In millions of dollars.)
>>
>> Starters Regulars nonRegs | ALL
>> |
>>PG 4.38 2.01 0.92 | 1.77
>>SG 6.76 1.73 0.93 | 2.50
>>SF 4.55 2.53 0.87 | 2.37
>>PF 5.93 2.35 1.03 | 1.92
>>C 6.05 3.62 1.42 | 2.54
>>------------------------------------------------
>>ALL 5.19 2.37 1.01 | 2.24
>
>$6 million per is indeed basic starter money for centers. Now, Nesterovich may
>not be Sean Rooks, but he's still pretty decent. My second Official 2003-04
>Prediction: he will outplay Olowakandi, easily.
>

Other thing that makes me think Rasho is a bargain-he has an average
starters salary today. In 3 to 6 years, he will likely be a great
bargain, as the average will go up faster than his contract.

>>>> All the Spurs want out of him is the ability to be a competent
>>>> starter. If they got a guy at Divac's level, they would be very
>>>> pleased. Bradley hasn't been a 12 and 8 guy is a while.
>>>
>>>If you just want serviceable centre, you might as well get of those Bulls'
>>>Scott Williams/Stacey King/Luc Longely kind of center by committee deals.
>>>At least you have three guys with three pairs of fresh legs every game and
>>>they are much cheaper than Nesterovic's price tag.
>>>
>>
>>Serviceable centers even have a high price tag. Look at what Raf
>>LaFrentz and Brad Miller just signed.
>
>Miller's more than just "serviceable," I think: he made an all-star out of a
>one-dimensional player like Jermaine O'Neal, and plays Shaq as well as anybody
>in the league.

I think it was the other way around-O'neal made an all-star out of
Miller. Brad Miller is a decent player, but I think he is not truly
an all-star caliber player. 13 and 8 in the East does not, at all,
impress me.
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"igor eduardo küpfer" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:11:41 GMT, Marcus Kwan <mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote in
> <ci8gjv0qn35qpi7im8ea3bb1bf673e9j1a.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>:
>
> >On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh.TakeThisOut@telus.net>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Marcus Kwan" <mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote in message
> >>news:p22gjv0sej8nopmmt0ns5ae5fjepu58v9b@4ax.com...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Who is calling him a superstar?
> >>
> >>At 45 mils for 6 years, that's close to a superstar salary.
> >>
> >
> >42 mill over 6 years is 7 mill a year-this is not superstar money, or
> >even close. 12 mill a year is superstar money. 6 mill is basic
> >starter money.
> >
>
> Ah, I always love a legitimate opportunity to quote myself:
>
> >Median Salary for Starters, non-starting Regular Players, and
> >non-regular players. (In millions of dollars.)
> >
> > Starters Regulars nonRegs | ALL
> > |
> >PG 4.38 2.01 0.92 | 1.77
> >SG 6.76 1.73 0.93 | 2.50
> >SF 4.55 2.53 0.87 | 2.37
> >PF 5.93 2.35 1.03 | 1.92
> >C 6.05 3.62 1.42 | 2.54
> >------------------------------------------------
> >ALL 5.19 2.37 1.01 | 2.24
>
> $6 million per is indeed basic starter money for centers. Now, Nesterovich may
> not be Sean Rooks, but he's still pretty decent. My second Official 2003-04
> Prediction: he will outplay Olowakandi, easily.

Agree here, Nesterovic >> Olowokandi

> >>> All the Spurs want out of him is the ability to be a competent
> >>> starter. If they got a guy at Divac's level, they would be very
> >>> pleased. Bradley hasn't been a 12 and 8 guy is a while.
> >>
> >>If you just want serviceable centre, you might as well get of those Bulls'
> >>Scott Williams/Stacey King/Luc Longely kind of center by committee deals.
> >>At least you have three guys with three pairs of fresh legs every game and
> >>they are much cheaper than Nesterovic's price tag.
> >>
> >
> >Serviceable centers even have a high price tag. Look at what Raf
> >LaFrentz and Brad Miller just signed.
>
> Miller's more than just "serviceable," I think: he made an all-star out of a
> one-dimensional player like Jermaine O'Neal, and plays Shaq as well as anybody
> in the league.

And also agree here, Miller >> Nesterovic. I would not be surprised to see
J. O'Neal drop off as you imply here.

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"JWC" <cook47.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> You wouldn't want to be anywhere around Colorado if that happened!!!

No, I definately won't be going to Colorado to join the Free Kobe campaign.


> Goldfinger wrote:
>
> > "TenKMan" <Fred.DeleteThis@Fred.com> wrote in message
> > news:lJqdnY4-jPh4n6WiU-KYvA@comcast.com...
> >
> >
> >>>I think he means lack of QUALITY talent coming off the bench... I'd
> >>
> >>say
> >>
> >>>they do have that at small forward, not point guard though. Derek
> >>>Fisher? Kind of old at the PF postion. They don't really need depth at
> >>>SG and C though. How long is Kobe going to rest... honestly.
> >>
> >>Five years maybe?
> >
> >
> > I'm afraid it will be longer, much longer than that. Check out the
recent
> > chat transcript on espn.com, one lawyer said if Kobe were to be
convicted,
> > it would be for mandatory life sentence becasue of a recent law change
in
> > Colorado. Even if Kobe were to be granted parole, it would be for an
> > extremely long sentence like 15-20 years. Let's see, what good would a
39
> > years old Kobe do for the Lakers?
> >
> >
>
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:16:09 GMT, Marcus Kwan <mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote in
<dithjv89k64u6t4u5q78qa56lcv327ooki.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>:

>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 06:22:38 GMT, igor eduardo küpfer
><strudel.TakeThisOut@example.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:11:41 GMT, Marcus Kwan <mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote in
>><ci8gjv0qn35qpi7im8ea3bb1bf673e9j1a.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 21:51:58 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh.TakeThisOut@telus.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Marcus Kwan" <mnospamkwan1.TakeThisOut@gte.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:p22gjv0sej8nopmmt0ns5ae5fjepu58v9b@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is calling him a superstar?
>>>>
>>>>At 45 mils for 6 years, that's close to a superstar salary.
>>>>
>>>
>>>42 mill over 6 years is 7 mill a year-this is not superstar money, or
>>>even close. 12 mill a year is superstar money. 6 mill is basic
>>>starter money.
>>>
>>
>>Ah, I always love a legitimate opportunity to quote myself:
>>
>>>Median Salary for Starters, non-starting Regular Players, and
>>>non-regular players. (In millions of dollars.)
>>>
>>> Starters Regulars nonRegs | ALL
>>> |
>>>PG 4.38 2.01 0.92 | 1.77
>>>SG 6.76 1.73 0.93 | 2.50
>>>SF 4.55 2.53 0.87 | 2.37
>>>PF 5.93 2.35 1.03 | 1.92
>>>C 6.05 3.62 1.42 | 2.54
>>>------------------------------------------------
>>>ALL 5.19 2.37 1.01 | 2.24
>>
>>$6 million per is indeed basic starter money for centers. Now, Nesterovich may
>>not be Sean Rooks, but he's still pretty decent. My second Official 2003-04
>>Prediction: he will outplay Olowakandi, easily.
>>
>
>Other thing that makes me think Rasho is a bargain-he has an average
>starters salary today. In 3 to 6 years, he will likely be a great
>bargain, as the average will go up faster than his contract.
>

Good point. Maybe if I get the energy, I'll calculate the median salaries
going back a few years to see what the trend looks like.

>>>>> All the Spurs want out of him is the ability to be a competent
>>>>> starter. If they got a guy at Divac's level, they would be very
>>>>> pleased. Bradley hasn't been a 12 and 8 guy is a while.
>>>>
>>>>If you just want serviceable centre, you might as well get of those Bulls'
>>>>Scott Williams/Stacey King/Luc Longely kind of center by committee deals.
>>>>At least you have three guys with three pairs of fresh legs every game and
>>>>they are much cheaper than Nesterovic's price tag.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Serviceable centers even have a high price tag. Look at what Raf
>>>LaFrentz and Brad Miller just signed.
>>
>>Miller's more than just "serviceable," I think: he made an all-star out of a
>>one-dimensional player like Jermaine O'Neal, and plays Shaq as well as anybody
>>in the league.
>
>I think it was the other way around-O'neal made an all-star out of
>Miller. Brad Miller is a decent player, but I think he is not truly
>an all-star caliber player. 13 and 8 in the East does not, at all,
>impress me.

Well, Miller's job in Indy was to cover O'Neal's ass on defense, and to help
clear the lane for O'Neal on offense. It wasn't his job to score, nor will it
be his job in Sac. (Individual rebounding numbers aren't measures of anything
at all -- only team rebounding numbers mean something.)

If I am right about Miller, O'Neal will have a worse season this year with
Pollard than he did last year.

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Marcus Kwan wrote:
>
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:51:42 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh RemoveThis @telus.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"s_knight8" <s_knight8 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:6bd12cd6.0308110749.507d61f7@posting.google.com...
> >>
> >http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030811/NEWS/308080027/1006/SPORTS
> >>
> >> San Antonio Spurs
> >>
> >> On paper, the defending NBA champions appear to have upgraded their
> >> roster with the additions of Rasho Nesterovic, Ron Mercer, Hedo
> >> Turkoglu, Robert Horry and Anthony Carter. If coach Gregg Popovich and
> >> guard Tony Parker can make up over the courting of Jason Kidd, they
> >> should be favored to repeat.
> >
> >This time next year, Nesterovic will be regarded as the most overrated
> >acquisition of the season. Haven't the GMs seen enought stiff white big men
> >who couldn't jump already?
> >
>
> The game is changing. Guys like Ilgauskas, Nowitski, Divac, and Peja
> are showing that big white guys can be effective in the NBA.
>
> Rasho is expected to get 12 points and 8 rebounds. Anything more than
> that next year is gravy.

I think anything over the 8.5 points and 7.9 rebounds Robinson
was getting last year is pure gravy.
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On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:22:03 GMT, Charlie Board <chaboard.TakeThisOut@nc.rr.com>
wrote:

>Marcus Kwan wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:51:42 GMT, "Goldfinger" <goldfgh.TakeThisOut@telus.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"s_knight8" <s_knight8.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:6bd12cd6.0308110749.507d61f7@posting.google.com...
>> >>
>> >http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030811/NEWS/308080027/1006/SPORTS
>> >>
>> >> San Antonio Spurs
>> >>
>> >> On paper, the defending NBA champions appear to have upgraded their
>> >> roster with the additions of Rasho Nesterovic, Ron Mercer, Hedo
>> >> Turkoglu, Robert Horry and Anthony Carter. If coach Gregg Popovich and
>> >> guard Tony Parker can make up over the courting of Jason Kidd, they
>> >> should be favored to repeat.
>> >
>> >This time next year, Nesterovic will be regarded as the most overrated
>> >acquisition of the season. Haven't the GMs seen enought stiff white big men
>> >who couldn't jump already?
>> >
>>
>> The game is changing. Guys like Ilgauskas, Nowitski, Divac, and Peja
>> are showing that big white guys can be effective in the NBA.
>>
>> Rasho is expected to get 12 points and 8 rebounds. Anything more than
>> that next year is gravy.
>
>I think anything over the 8.5 points and 7.9 rebounds Robinson
>was getting last year is pure gravy.

Well, I think Rasho will have to score more, as he will be allowing
more points defensively
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Charlie Board wrote:
>
> Goldfinger wrote:
> >
> > "igor eduardo küpfer" <strudel.RemoveThis@example.com> wrote in message
> > news:7oufjvs72b0rca7hqmm5qmmal8dtoh0tue@4ax.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > 02-03 Nesterovich
> > >
> > > Opp Pts Reb
> > > LAK 12.8 6.0
> > > PHX 12.8 6.5
> > > SAC 12.3 10.0
> > > OTHER 10.9 6.4
> >
> > Since when is a 12 pt 8 board center regarded as superstar? Divac can well
> > accomplish that with just a few flops. This guy has Shaw Bradly written all
> > over his forehead.
>
> Who the hell ever called him a superstar? His job is to replace the 9pts & 8reb
> a game that Robinson gave us last year. Period.

And, you hope, without losing too awfully much of the defense of DR. Every
move they made makes it look like they will be better on offense and worse
on defense than before.

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frankly didn't have a single helix between them. But I'm pretty sure
a check of dental records will show they bit off more than they could
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