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Ken Cheng <kencheng.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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> On Jun 17, 8:52 pm, kento....DeleteThis@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 17, 11:48 pm, "       bozak"
>> <________boz....DeleteThis@gmail.com____
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>> wrote:
>>
>> > radmanovich quit in the second quarter... i swear it
>> > looked like he fou
> led just
>> > to be pulled out of the game...
>>
>> > i thank him for being part of the lakers success this
>> > year, but hopeful
> ly the
>> > lakers can package him or just waive him... i dont ever
>> > want to see him
> in a
>> > lakers uniform again...
>>
>> > that was ugly...
>>
>> Radman and Vuyabitch,,,you have to wonder what their
>> future is playing at this level.....got schooled all
>> series
>
> Sasha's proven his worth over the course of the season, and
> I think his game still has lots of upside. He's worth
> keeping. In fact, I think he's the one bench player that
> is not expendable (unless he's somehow exchanged for
> impossible talent...say Sasha for LeBron).
>
> Radmonivic, on the other hand, has already proven a bust
> for the Lakers. I don't see his game improving much.
>
>

What about Ronny?
He is a free agent.
Personally I say keep Ronny and lose Chris Mihm.
Ronny energizes the team with his attitude.
Chris has a long history of injuries.

Mark
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JK wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:48:10 GMT, " bozak"
> <________bozak1.RemoveThis@gmail.com________> wrote:
>
>> radmanovich quit in the second quarter...
>
> Looked more like the entire Laker team quit in the 2nd quarter to me.



Yup. Everyone is making Rad the fall guy, which is fine, since he's not
much of a player, other than his ability to sink a three every once in a
while; but, of more concern is Lamar Odom. This guy is supposed to be
our #3, and sometimes, #2 guy. Sorry, but he just doesn't cut it.
Also, Farmer was just as bad as Rad. Just awful in fact. ;-)

-JC
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Avant Grape <avantnograpecrap.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in
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> M B wrote:
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>> "Donkeydode" <noemail.TakeThisOut@bye.com> wrote in message
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>>> " bozak" <________bozak1.TakeThisOut@gmail.com________> wrote in message
>>> news:_z%5k.43389$Xu2.8216@trnddc04...
>>>> radmanovich quit in the second quarter... i swear it looked like he
>>>> fouled
>>> just
>>>> to be pulled out of the game...
>>>>
>>>> i thank him for being part of the lakers success this year, but
>>>> hopefully
>>> the
>>>> lakers can package him or just waive him... i dont ever want to see
>>>> him in
>>> a
>>>> lakers uniform again...
>>>>
>>>> that was ugly...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Farmar proved to me he is never going to be a player this post
>>> season so possibly Mitch can put together a pu pu platter of Farmar,
>>> Rad, and Walton
>>> for a player with some frigging toughness
>>
>> Farmar is 21 years old. How can anybody say he's "proven" he's
>> never
>> going to be a player? How can any such thing be "proven" by the age
>> of 21?? He's given more indication that he WILL be a player than
>> otherwise.
>
>
> Really? He seems to me to be a career second stringer. I'd rather
> have Eddie House.
>
> -JC
>
That's great.

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On Jun 18, 6:20 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "JK" <n....RemoveThis@way.net> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:48:10 GMT, "       bozak"
> > <________boz....RemoveThis@gmail.com________> wrote:
>
> >>radmanovich quit in the second quarter...
>
> > Looked more like the entire Laker team quit in the 2nd quarter to me.
>
> I loved that game right from the start.  Kobe came out hitting 3's and I
> loved it.  Kobe isn't a 3 point ace.  Those shots were bound to start
> missing and he was settling for long jumpers from the first the first
> offensive possession of the game.  In a game where LA needed to come and
> physically assert themselves, draw fouls, give fouls, rebound, and drive, I
> was just elated to watch him hit his first few long jumpers.  It couldn't
> have been scripted any better.

I'm convinced there are some players for whom hitting a few early
threes is the worst thing that could happen. They start "feeling it"
and keep jacking them up. Of course, they can't sustain the hot
streak, and wind up shooting themselves and possibly their team out of
their offense and even the game.

Kobe's one of those guys, and so was Antoine Walker. Allen Iverson's
another. I know from painful experience that Gary Payton is too. Not
trying to trash Kobe here - lots of guys who are great scorers but not
great shooters can fall into that trap.

Cheers,
Chris Hafner
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"JK" <no RemoveThis @way.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:48:10 GMT, " bozak"
> <________bozak1 RemoveThis @gmail.com________> wrote:
>
>>radmanovich quit in the second quarter...
>
> Looked more like the entire Laker team quit in the 2nd quarter to me.

I loved that game right from the start. Kobe came out hitting 3's and I
loved it. Kobe isn't a 3 point ace. Those shots were bound to start
missing and he was settling for long jumpers from the first the first
offensive possession of the game. In a game where LA needed to come and
physically assert themselves, draw fouls, give fouls, rebound, and drive, I
was just elated to watch him hit his first few long jumpers. It couldn't
have been scripted any better.
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On Jun 18, 6:20 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> "JK" <n... RemoveThis @way.net> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:48:10 GMT, " bozak"
> > <________boz... RemoveThis @gmail.com________> wrote:
>
> >>radmanovich quit in the second quarter...
>
> > Looked more like the entire Laker team quit in the 2nd quarter to me.
>
> I loved that game right from the start. Kobe came out hitting 3's and I
> loved it. Kobe isn't a 3 point ace. Those shots were bound to start
> missing and he was settling for long jumpers from the first the first
> offensive possession of the game. In a game where LA needed to come and
> physically assert themselves, draw fouls, give fouls, rebound, and drive,
> I
> was just elated to watch him hit his first few long jumpers. It couldn't
> have been scripted any better.

I'm convinced there are some players for whom hitting a few early
threes is the worst thing that could happen. They start "feeling it"
and keep jacking them up. Of course, they can't sustain the hot
streak, and wind up shooting themselves and possibly their team out of
their offense and even the game.

Kobe's one of those guys, and so was Antoine Walker. Allen Iverson's
another. I know from painful experience that Gary Payton is too. Not
trying to trash Kobe here - lots of guys who are great scorers but not
great shooters can fall into that trap.

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REPLY:
Funny. Early in the game when he hit those threes I felt the exact opposite
of what I used to feel when Walker started off that way... but for the exact
same reason as you mentioned. I'm not demoting Kobe to Walker status. But
it was that mindset of settling for jumpers in a game where he should have
tried to get to the basket early and often.
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On Jun 19, 11:27�am, "Skeptic" <bcs0....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Chris Hafner" <haf....RemoveThis@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
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> On Jun 18, 6:20 pm, "Skeptic" <bcs0....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > "JK" <n....RemoveThis@way.net> wrote in message
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> > > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:48:10 GMT, " bozak"
> > > <________boz....RemoveThis@gmail.com________> wrote:
>
> > >>radmanovich quit in the second quarter...
>
> > > Looked more like the entire Laker team quit in the 2nd quarter to me.
>
> > I loved that game right from the start. Kobe came out hitting 3's and I
> > loved it. Kobe isn't a 3 point ace. Those shots were bound to start
> > missing and he was settling for long jumpers from the first the first
> > offensive possession of the game. In a game where LA needed to come and
> > physically assert themselves, draw fouls, give fouls, rebound, and drive,
> > I
> > was just elated to watch him hit his first few long jumpers. It couldn't
> > have been scripted any better.
>
> I'm convinced there are some players for whom hitting a few early
> threes is the worst thing that could happen. They start "feeling it"
> and keep jacking them up. Of course, they can't sustain the hot
> streak, and wind up shooting themselves and possibly their team out of
> their offense and even the game.
>
> Kobe's one of those guys, and so was Antoine Walker. Allen Iverson's
> another. I know from painful experience that Gary Payton is too. Not
> trying to trash Kobe here - lots of guys who are great scorers but not
> great shooters can fall into that trap.
>
> *******************************************************
>
> REPLY:
> Funny. �Early in the game when he hit those threes I felt the exact opposite
> of what I used to feel when Walker started off that way... but for the exact
> same reason as you mentioned. �I'm not demoting Kobe to Walker status. �But
> it was that mindset of settling for jumpers in a game where he should have
> tried to get to the basket early and often.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Excellent observation on Kobe. His best games rarely have started
outside and then later found ways to drive to the basket. Kobe does
need to get some rythm early with his shots but mostly he looks to get
his team mates going by breaking down defenses first. Against the C's
in that game 6, I believe his mindset was score..however he possibly
could and all credit to the Celts for playing great defense and
cutting off the seams. At times the celts defense looked as if they
were gambling by leaving some shooters open but they recovered so well
Kobe was often left with no one to pass to and difficult jumpers. Nice
hustling D that i'm sure a lot of WC teams have on tape now.
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