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Since: May 18, 2005
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:49 pm
Post subject: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom
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I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
is.
But there is that defense.
And Odom's inconsistent play.
Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas. |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:56 am
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truegrit DeleteThis @my-deja.com wrote:
> I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
> defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
> potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
> remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
> then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
> screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
> the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
> geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
> is.
>
> But there is that defense.
>
> And Odom's inconsistent play.
>
> Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
> center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
> while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
>
> Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
> doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
> one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas.
Why not figure out an Odom trade that gets us someone who we might
actually want to keep? |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:42 am
Post subject: Re: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Jul 14, 8:56 am, Chainsaw <n....TakeThisOut@all.net> wrote:
> trueg....TakeThisOut@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
> > defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
> > potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
> > remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
> > then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
> > screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
> > the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
> > geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
> > is.
>
> > But there is that defense.
>
> > And Odom's inconsistent play.
>
> > Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
> > center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
> > while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
>
> > Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
> > doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
> > one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas.
>
> Why not figure out an Odom trade that gets us someone who we might
> actually want to keep?- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Can you think of any potential trades that a) involve Odom, b) have a
realistic chance of happening, and c) would improve the team?
It's been said many times around here, but sometimes the best move is
no move. >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:35 pm
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On Jul 14, 9:42 am, trueg....RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> Can you think of any potential trades that a) involve Odom, b) have a
> realistic chance of happening, and c) would improve the team?
Okay, so you want a defensive minded SF, but you don't want a nutcase
like Artest.
Let's assume Sacto was down with the Odom deal as long as the Lakers
were willing
to take Kenny Thomas as well...
Lakers send Odom (and Mihm) to Sacramento
Sacramento sends Kenny Thomas to the Lakers
Sacramento sends Ron Artest to Detroit
Detroit sends Tayshaun Prince to the Lakers.
> It's been said many times around here, but sometimes the best move is
> no move.
Ooh. I like that trade too. >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:35 pm
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LFan wrote:
> On Jul 14, 9:42 am, trueg....RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:
> Sacramento sends Ron Artest to Detroit
>
> Detroit sends Tayshaun Prince to the Lakers.
<laughing hysterically> yeah maybe Detroit fans could throw a little ice at
him....
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Laurel T
There are three kinds of men.
The one that learns by reading.
The few who learn by observation.
The rest of them have to pee on the
electric fence for themselves.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:46 pm
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LFan wrote:
> On Jul 14, 9:42 am, trueg....RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:
>> Can you think of any potential trades that a) involve Odom, b) have a
>> realistic chance of happening, and c) would improve the team?
>
> Okay, so you want a defensive minded SF, but you don't want a nutcase
> like Artest.
I'd rather have a decent PG. >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:44 am
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"Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:6e266gF4uih5U1@mid.individual.net:
> LFan wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 9:42 am, trueg....TakeThisOut@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> Sacramento sends Ron Artest to Detroit
>>
>> Detroit sends Tayshaun Prince to the Lakers.
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> <laughing hysterically> yeah maybe Detroit fans could
> throw a little ice at him....
>
>
>
Actually Lamar has had some great moments. His biggest problem
is that he has never been consistant from one game to the
next. He strikes me as being pretty damn lazy. He needs to see
a therapist to get his head straight and then take some
lessons from Kobe to learn what effort is all about. If Lamar
would give us the effort that Kobe bring to every game, then I
would want him to be around next season for sure.
Mark >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:45 am
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Magic-MARK-er wrote:
> "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:6e266gF4uih5U1@mid.individual.net:
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>> LFan wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 9:42 am, trueg....DeleteThis@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sacramento sends Ron Artest to Detroit
>>>
>>> Detroit sends Tayshaun Prince to the Lakers.
>>
>> <laughing hysterically> yeah maybe Detroit fans could
>> throw a little ice at him....
>>
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>
> Actually Lamar has had some great moments.
The above scenario has Artest going to Detroit.
Remember that little fight there?
I can just imagine Dumars' reaction to being asked to give up Prince for the
most hated player in the league in detroit...
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"I thought Bill Laimbeer was the whiniest, most
despicable, most disgusting guy in the game.
On the other hand, I always
respected him as a player." Barkley >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:34 pm
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Chainsaw wrote:
> truegrit DeleteThis @my-deja.com wrote:
>> I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
>> defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
>> potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
>> remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
>> then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
>> screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
>> the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
>> geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
>> is.
>>
>> But there is that defense.
>>
>> And Odom's inconsistent play.
>>
>> Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
>> center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
>> while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
>>
>> Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
>> doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
>> one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas.
>
> Why not figure out an Odom trade that gets us someone who we might
> actually want to keep?
Obviously, but when you're offering somebody you won't want to keep you may
not be able to get somebody you would. But by all means you try.
--
Gary Collard
SABR-L Moderator
gmcollard DeleteThis @yahoo.com
http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/
"A wheelchair? Seriously? ... We’ve dinged our knee up harder on
our computer desk." -- The Big Lead on Paul Pierce >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:24 pm
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Gary Collard wrote:
> Chainsaw wrote:
>> truegrit.DeleteThis@my-deja.com wrote:
>>> I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
>>> defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
>>> potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
>>> remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
>>> then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
>>> screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
>>> the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
>>> geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
>>> is.
>>>
>>> But there is that defense.
>>>
>>> And Odom's inconsistent play.
>>>
>>> Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
>>> center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
>>> while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
>>>
>>> Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
>>> doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
>>> one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas.
>>
>> Why not figure out an Odom trade that gets us someone who we might
>> actually want to keep?
>
> Obviously, but when you're offering somebody you won't want to keep you
> may not be able to get somebody you would. But by all means you try.
Odds are that the team we trade Odom to will want to keep him, far
more likely than they would want to keep Artest. >> Stay informed about: Some perspective needed on Artest vs. Odom |
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:15 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:15 pm
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Massimo wrote:
> LFan ha detto...
>> Lakers send Odom (and Mihm) to Sacramento
>>
>> Sacramento sends Kenny Thomas to the Lakers
>> Sacramento sends Ron Artest to Detroit
>>
>> Detroit sends Tayshaun Prince to the Lakers.
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> What about this trade?
>
> http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=4727934
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> Lakers sends Chris Mihm, Trevor Ariza and Lamar Odom to Detroit
>
> Detroit sends Antonio McDyess and Tayshaun Prince to the Lakers
It is Billups and his contract the Detroit wants to move, not Prince.
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"I hate to do it, but I have to give Smitty
some credit for his defense.
Steve did a nice job of yelling for help every time Cliff
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:50 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:51 am
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Chainsaw wrote:
> Gary Collard wrote:
>> Chainsaw wrote:
>>> truegrit.RemoveThis@my-deja.com wrote:
>>>> I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
>>>> defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
>>>> potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
>>>> remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
>>>> then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
>>>> screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
>>>> the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
>>>> geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
>>>> is.
>>>>
>>>> But there is that defense.
>>>>
>>>> And Odom's inconsistent play.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
>>>> center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
>>>> while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
>>>>
>>>> Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
>>>> doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
>>>> one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas.
>>>
>>> Why not figure out an Odom trade that gets us someone who we might
>>> actually want to keep?
>>
>> Obviously, but when you're offering somebody you won't want to keep
>> you may not be able to get somebody you would. But by all means you try.
>
> Odds are that the team we trade Odom to will want to keep him, far
> more likely than they would want to keep Artest.
But whoever keeps him will be getting hosed. That it's some other team
that will do something stupid is not a very compelling worry for me.
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gmcollard.RemoveThis@yahoo.com
http://sarcastipundit.blogspot.com/
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:52 am
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Gary Collard wrote:
> Chainsaw wrote:
>> Gary Collard wrote:
>>> Chainsaw wrote:
>>>> truegrit DeleteThis @my-deja.com wrote:
>>>>> I'm not one of those who hates Artest. I am intrigued by the
>>>>> defensive intensity that he brings. I'm also frightened by the
>>>>> potential distractions and overblown expectations. I worry when I
>>>>> remember the games he played, pounding the ball into the floor and
>>>>> then jacking up a terrible shot. I worry about Sac fans' blog posts
>>>>> screaming about Artest taking plays (or even games) off or not passing
>>>>> the ball to their best scorer, Kevin Martin. I worry about the stat
>>>>> geeks analysis that his game isn't as effective as some people say it
>>>>> is.
>>>>>
>>>>> But there is that defense.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Odom's inconsistent play.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the Lakers made it to the Finals without their starting
>>>>> center, who was averaging a nice double-double at a high percentage
>>>>> while providing excellent interior defense before he got hurt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Taking that all into account, why not give it a little time? If Odom
>>>>> doesn't work out with the Lakers, the Kings will still want him. No
>>>>> one else will give them close to Odom for Artest and Kenny Thomas.
>>>>
>>>> Why not figure out an Odom trade that gets us someone who we might
>>>> actually want to keep?
>>>
>>> Obviously, but when you're offering somebody you won't want to keep
>>> you may not be able to get somebody you would. But by all means you
>>> try.
>>
>> Odds are that the team we trade Odom to will want to keep him, far
>> more likely than they would want to keep Artest.
>
> But whoever keeps him will be getting hosed.
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