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mayner wrote:
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>> mayner wrote:
>>>
>>> "warped" <rickbays.DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote in message
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>>>> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more
>>>> loyalty after the small gestures which were given? You know,
>>>> little things like heart surgery?
>>>
>>> I have no problem with him wanting to go to the Warriors for more PT
>>> (possible)
>>
>>
>> More than possible. Turiaf will likely become a starter at Golden
>> State. They have no one at his level in the post right now.
>>
>> -JC
>
> Why does it not strike me as odd that you would hold a position 180
> degrees from 99% of all others on this group?
>
> Heh...


And....Andris Biedrins and Harrington are the likely starters.
Nellie is the coach...

Love the quote:
"When you lose your No. 1 player, you're probably not going to be as
good," coach Don Nelson said. "We'll be different. I don't know how."


--
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A coach after being informed, that like
players, their drug tests would include
banned performance enhancing drugs:
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mayner wrote:
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> "Avant Grape" <avantnograpecrap.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>> mayner wrote:
>>>
>>> "warped" <rickbays.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
>>> news:b20e20b5-a9e2-4b68-8ecc-077d0f515882@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more loyalty
>>>> after the small gestures which were given? You know, little things
>>>> like heart surgery?
>>>
>>> I have no problem with him wanting to go to the Warriors for more PT
>>> (possible)
>>
>>
>> More than possible. Turiaf will likely become a starter at Golden
>> State. They have no one at his level in the post right now.
>>
>> -JC
>
> Why does it not strike me as odd that you would hold a position 180
> degrees from 99% of all others on this group?
>
> Heh...
>



I watch a lot more Warrior games than your average Joe here. So why
don't you and the so-called 99% of the newsgroup tell me who the
Warriors have that is a better post-defender and rebounder than Turiaf.

Also, don't say I didn't tell ya.

-JC
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warped wrote:
> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more loyalty
> after the small gestures which were given? You know, little things
> like heart surgery?

If the Lakers could have come close to the deal the Warriors offered
(both in dollars and playing time), then sure I'd point the finger at
Ronny for bailing.

But it wasn't like that.

Ronny repaid the Lakers in full with his defense, determination, and
energy. The Lakers now have a silky smooth femininely fresh interior
defense. If we don't sign another 'tough' to help out down there then
I suspect we'll regress next season in terms of how deep we go in the
playoffs.
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mayner wrote:
>
> Andrew, Gasol, Odom, and Mihm.
>
> Hmmm....

And how many of them will go down for at least a few games next year ?

> Gotta be realistic. The luxury tax matters. Ronny isn't worth the money
> to the Lakers.

Don't blame Ronny for the entire luxury tax - he's not the only salary
contributing to it. If they want to trade a big for Artest or similar,
then what ? I think I would have kept him unless they have something
else in mind for Oct time frame.
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$Bill wrote:
> mayner wrote:
>>
>> Andrew, Gasol, Odom, and Mihm.
>>
>> Hmmm....
>
> And how many of them will go down for at least a few games next year ?
>
>> Gotta be realistic. The luxury tax matters. Ronny isn't worth the
>> money to the Lakers.
>
> Don't blame Ronny for the entire luxury tax - he's not the only salary
> contributing to it.

Does not matter...they are already over and the contract was front loaded.
Ronny was not worth 10 million next season.

> If they want to trade a big for Artest or
> similar, then what ?

Pick up someone cheap.

> I think I would have kept him unless they have
> something else in mind for Oct time frame.

If it was your real 5 million extra dollars I doubt you would have.


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"mayner" <jeffmayner.RemoveThis@sillyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> "rdavis" <davis.rob.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>>> can't blame the Lakers for not over-spending at a
>>> position where they're over-stocked.
>>
>> How "over-stocked" will they look if either Gasol or Odom gets
>> injured? "Over-stocked" would usually suggest that they have depth at the
>> position to absorb the absence, but I don't see it here.
>
> Andrew, Gasol, Odom, and Mihm.

Andrew at PF? That's an interesting suggestion. Mihm?
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"Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> $Bill wrote:
>> mayner wrote:
>>>
>>> Andrew, Gasol, Odom, and Mihm.
>>>
>>> Hmmm....
>>
>> And how many of them will go down for at least a few games next year ?
>>
>>> Gotta be realistic. The luxury tax matters. Ronny isn't worth the
>>> money to the Lakers.
>>
>> Don't blame Ronny for the entire luxury tax - he's not the only salary
>> contributing to it.
>
> Does not matter...they are already over and the contract was front loaded.
> Ronny was not worth 10 million next season.
>
>> If they want to trade a big for Artest or
>> similar, then what ?
>
> Pick up someone cheap.

That's not the philosophy that got the Lakers back into contention.
That's the philosophy that came right before it. I guess since Kobe's not
putting any heat on them anymore, then why worry.


>> I think I would have kept him unless they have
>> something else in mind for Oct time frame.
>
> If it was your real 5 million extra dollars I doubt you would have.

Heck, if it was my real money, I wouldn't have agreed to the some of the
other contracts they've been giving out the last few years. Then,
presumably, I'd have that extra few million to keep this guy.
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"Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> mayner wrote:
>> "Avant Grape" <avantnograpecrap RemoveThis @sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>> mayner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "warped" <rickbays RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:b20e20b5-a9e2-4b68-8ecc-077d0f515882@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more
>>>>> loyalty after the small gestures which were given? You know,
>>>>> little things like heart surgery?
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem with him wanting to go to the Warriors for more PT
>>>> (possible)
>>>
>>>
>>> More than possible. Turiaf will likely become a starter at Golden
>>> State. They have no one at his level in the post right now.
>>>
>>> -JC
>>
>> Why does it not strike me as odd that you would hold a position 180
>> degrees from 99% of all others on this group?
>>
>> Heh...
>
>
> And....Andris Biedrins and Harrington are the likely starters.
> Nellie is the coach...

That's the key. If Nellie weren't the coach, I'd give Turiaf a decent
chance of supplanting Harrington.
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"Chainsaw" <none.RemoveThis@all.net> wrote in message
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> warped wrote:
>> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more loyalty
>> after the small gestures which were given? You know, little things
>> like heart surgery?
>
> If the Lakers could have come close to the deal the Warriors offered
> (both in dollars and playing time), then sure I'd point the finger at
> Ronny for bailing.
>
> But it wasn't like that.
>
> Ronny repaid the Lakers in full with his defense, determination, and
> energy. The Lakers now have a silky smooth femininely fresh interior
> defense. If we don't sign another 'tough' to help out down there then
> I suspect we'll regress next season in terms of how deep we go in the
> playoffs.

I wholeheartedly agree.
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M B wrote:
> "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> $Bill wrote:
>>> mayner wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Andrew, Gasol, Odom, and Mihm.
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm....
>>>
>>> And how many of them will go down for at least a few games next
>>> year ?
>>>> Gotta be realistic. The luxury tax matters. Ronny isn't worth the
>>>> money to the Lakers.
>>>
>>> Don't blame Ronny for the entire luxury tax - he's not the only
>>> salary contributing to it.
>>
>> Does not matter...they are already over and the contract was front
>> loaded. Ronny was not worth 10 million next season.
>>
>>> If they want to trade a big for Artest or
>>> similar, then what ?
>>
>> Pick up someone cheap.
>
> That's not the philosophy that got the Lakers back into contention.
> That's the philosophy that came right before it. I guess since
> Kobe's not putting any heat on them anymore, then why worry.

They did that during the 3 championships.
Picked up veterans like Horace Grant for vets minimun.
Ronny was cheap in a small role, he was not in the top 8 in PJ's rotation in
the playoffs.
Now he is not cheap and even that role was shrinking.


>>> I think I would have kept him unless they have
>>> something else in mind for Oct time frame.
>>
>> If it was your real 5 million extra dollars I doubt you would have.
>
> Heck, if it was my real money, I wouldn't have agreed to the some
> of the other contracts they've been giving out the last few years.

Odom came in on the Shaq trade.
Radmanovic was market value for a MLE at the time, and he played twice the
minutes in the playoffs as Ronny.
Fisher earned his 4 mil last year.


> Then, presumably, I'd have that extra few million to keep this guy.

hey... they could have been under the tax line by keeping Kwame's ending
contract instead of replacing it with Gasol's. ;-)
They also have that decission to make on Odom' use his ending contract to
get their payroll down or trade him and likely stay in the tax. Then Bymun
is going to be looking at a near max extension and if they do not get it
done him as a RFA next year.

I would just appreciate Buss' willingness to pay out an extra 10 mil already
this year in tax instead of being miffed because he will not pay out 10 mil
next year for a player being overpaid at an average of 4 per. It is still a
business with several owners.
And they still have Sasha who may get a simular offer.

You do not pay 10 mil for Ronny while expecting his minutes to drop well
below the 18 he played the year before.
Even without Bynum and Mihm he only played 10 minutes per game in the
playoffs for an average
of 2 pts, 1.5 rbs, 1 block and 2 hard fouls.


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M B wrote:
> "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> mayner wrote:
>>> "Avant Grape" <avantnograpecrap.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>> mayner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "warped" <rickbays.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b20e20b5-a9e2-4b68-8ecc-077d0f515882@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more
>>>>>> loyalty after the small gestures which were given? You know,
>>>>>> little things like heart surgery?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no problem with him wanting to go to the Warriors for more
>>>>> PT (possible)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More than possible. Turiaf will likely become a starter at Golden
>>>> State. They have no one at his level in the post right now.
>>>>
>>>> -JC
>>>
>>> Why does it not strike me as odd that you would hold a position 180
>>> degrees from 99% of all others on this group?
>>>
>>> Heh...
>>
>>
>> And....Andris Biedrins and Harrington are the likely starters.
>> Nellie is the coach...
>
> That's the key. If Nellie weren't the coach, I'd give Turiaf a
> decent chance of supplanting Harrington.

Even as a backup to those two he will likely be getting twice the minutes
he did in LA.


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M B wrote:
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>> "M B" <MikBarr.DeleteThis@o.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>> "rdavis" <davis.rob.DeleteThis@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:05e5e7ee-2ec4-4912-b60d-72a72d60d42f@l8g2000prm.googlegroups.com...
>>>> can't blame the Lakers for not over-spending at a
>>>> position where they're over-stocked.
>>>
>>> How "over-stocked" will they look if either Gasol or Odom gets
>>> injured? "Over-stocked" would usually suggest that they have depth at
>>> the position to absorb the absence, but I don't see it here.
>>
>> Andrew, Gasol, Odom, and Mihm.
>
> Andrew at PF? That's an interesting suggestion. Mihm?

C/PF for Gasol/Mihm/Ronny
PF/SF for Odom
C for Drew
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M B wrote:
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> "Terraholm" <TerraholmSPAMNOT.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> mayner wrote:
>>> "Avant Grape" <avantnograpecrap.TakeThisOut@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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>>>> mayner wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "warped" <rickbays.TakeThisOut@cox.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b20e20b5-a9e2-4b68-8ecc-077d0f515882@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anybody else feel as though the lakers deserved a little more
>>>>>> loyalty after the small gestures which were given? You know,
>>>>>> little things like heart surgery?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no problem with him wanting to go to the Warriors for more PT
>>>>> (possible)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> More than possible. Turiaf will likely become a starter at Golden
>>>> State. They have no one at his level in the post right now.
>>>>
>>>> -JC
>>>
>>> Why does it not strike me as odd that you would hold a position 180
>>> degrees from 99% of all others on this group?
>>>
>>> Heh...
>>
>>
>> And....Andris Biedrins and Harrington are the likely starters.
>> Nellie is the coach...
>
> That's the key. If Nellie weren't the coach, I'd give Turiaf a
> decent chance of supplanting Harrington.




Well, he did start Marques Johnson at one time.

Make no mistake though, Nelson gets pissed at Biedrins early and often
during the course of a game, so the scenario I present is there for the
taking. Regardless, Turiaf will see a significant upgrade in playing
time at Golden State. Only a blind man can't see that.

-JC
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