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dave jones

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 4:15 pm
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could someone tell me why even on the college level why the size of women's
basketball is still smaller than the size of men's? u would think that on
this level women would have hands large enough to be able to handle a
regulation size basketball.

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SMMfan1

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2004 9:56 pm
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>could someone tell me why even on the college level why the size of women's
>basketball is still smaller than the size of men's? u would think that on
>this level women would have hands large enough to be able to handle a
>regulation size basketball.
>

Could I tell you why? Probably not definitively. But, I think the idea at the
time it was adopted probably went along the lines of "women have smaller hands,
so to make things even, let's give them a smaller ball." The same thinking has
lead to a perrenial debate as to whether or not the height of the basket should
likewise be scaled down for women.

I have no problem with the ball size. I'm a guy, but I prefer using the
women's ball to shoot, dribble, and pass with. It's more "controlable." I
think BOTH genders should use the 28.5 (women's) ball. The height of the
basket is a different story. No way in hell should it come down for the
women's game. However, if I were the Basketball Czar of the Universe, I'd
raise it to 12 feet for the men's game. Today, high school boys routinely
dunk, and even some of the better junior high boys can do it. I once attended
a CYO Seniors game (boys not good enough to make their high school teams) where
there were 26 dunks. Clearly not what Mr. Naismith (or Mike Nesmith of the
Monkees) had in mind. But, in an America where the male lexicon is full of
pushing the limits ("weapons of mass destruction", "shock and awe",
"overwhelming force to bear", and other great macho terms), getting the
sports-crazed public to give up the dunk will be an impossibility. In my book,
though, dunks should be made so rare that when one happens, it's front-page
news.

Women play the game more the way it was meant to be played (finesse over
muscle, team over solo star), but even they have a long way to go. Lots of
sloppy play, poor shooting from the floor, and basic incompetence at all but
the very highest levels keep women's basketball from achieving anything like
equality with the men's game.

Jim

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Albert Ryteeden

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 5:47 am
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"SMMfan1" <smmfan1 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
> [snip ...]
> Women play the game more the way it was meant to be played (finesse over
> muscle, team over solo star), but even they have a long way to go. Lots
of
> sloppy play, poor shooting from the floor, and basic incompetence at all
but
> the very highest levels keep women's basketball from achieving anything
like
> equality with the men's game.

I agreed with much of what you said, until you got to this part ...
What particular games are you watching, that exhibit "lots of sloppy play,
poor shooting from the floor, and basic incompetence at all but the
highest levels ..."? Not the ones I see.

10-15 years ago, maybe so, but not now. Even at the high school level,
I don't think I'd characterize women's play in such a fashion. Certainly
not at the college level. The games I've seen, on the tube or in person,
reflect skilled players, sharp shooting (to equal that of men), nifty
play-making,
tough aggressive defense, and overall "competence".

I remember the day when heads-down dribbling was the norm, when body
movement was noticeably less athletic than men's, and the players were
afraid to get down and dirty. Not anymore. The only thing missing, other
than the dunk/play above the rim, is more classic jump shots (as opposed
to one- or two-handed chest shots, or shots from face level).

Now, if you're talking dunks, no doubt about it, big difference.
I heard where maybe the third *ever* in-game dunk in women's B-ball
was performed recently. Compare with D1 men's B-ball, where almost
every player taller than 6' can dunk. And does.

But dunking isn't everything, and that is the reason why I buying season
tickets to the women's games, and not even going to the men's.

Albert
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SMMfan1

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 10:00 pm
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>I agreed with much of what you said, until you got to this part ...
>What particular games are you watching, that exhibit "lots of sloppy play,
>poor shooting from the floor, and basic incompetence at all but the
>highest levels ..."? Not the ones I see.

I attend many high school & junior high games in Delaware and southeastern
Pennsylvania. (I also coach 7th/8th grade girls -- in the winter, for a
school, and in the off season, for AAU.) AAU ball is big step up from school
ball, but even the "second division" (the lower 50% of all teams) can feature
some pretty embarassing games. School ball is the pits, unless you're talking
about the top 3 public schools in Delaware, the top 2 independent academies, or
most of the 6 or 7 Catholic Schools. At best, that gives you 11 quality school
teams in a state with roughly 50 to 55 girls varsity squads.

College ball, as observed both in-person and on ESPN and Comcast is boring and
unwatchable unless a nationally-ranked Top 10 team (or two) is involved.

These are my observations. Apparently you care to differ, which is fine. You
presented your points intelligently and politely enough. You just haven't
convinced me that what I've experienced is incorrect.

Again, girls'/women's games are better than boys'/men's simply due to the dual
facts that 1, the game is 99.999% below the rim, and 2, the female brand of
ball is more "democratic" and relies on more of a team approach. So, a
UConn/Tennessee classic beats the hell out of any men's matchup. It's just
once you get away from the best WNBA and the NCAA Top 10 Women's Teams, it's
awfully slim pickins to find good, excellently-played, exciting women's games.

Jim
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JMEffrece

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:26 pm
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>could someone tell me why even on the college level why the size of women's
>basketball is still smaller than the size of men's?

That is a question that the women's coaches would like answered. They have
been fighting to get the bigger ball. Supposedly it is easier to get a basket
with it. Don't ask ME why - ask the college coaches why it is easier.
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