Will the suspensions be staggered?

<Jellyous> wrote in message
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> Any way for Artest to appeal the suspension and get it reduced to maybe 20
> or
> 30 games?
>
> Maybe J.O'Neal and S.Jackson can reduce theirs to 10 games.
>

Nope............LOL.
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In article <n1t2q0tukk7k1uc0pmk25fuf4uac5t59oe.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, Jellyous
wrote:

> Any way for Artest to appeal the suspension and get it reduced to maybe 20 or
> 30 games?
>
> Maybe J.O'Neal and S.Jackson can reduce theirs to 10 games.
>

They're going to try. After all, the union got Sprewell's suspension
reduced.

I'm not sure if the union has an obligation to support any player in
their appeal or not -- they're not Artest's laywers, who's job it is to
argue his position. It's their job to serve the best interest of the
players as a whole.

-Ron
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Julie P. wrote:

> Isn't the idea of suspensions to punish the player, not the team? So will
> the Pacers' suspensions be staggered, so as not to hurt the Pacers and the
> NBA fans?
>
> And can the players, including Artest, continue to play while they appeal
> their suspensions?
>
> Did all the Pistons' players serve their suspensions in tonight's game
> against Charlotte? If not, why not, especially since all the Pacers players
> had to last night against Orlando?
>
>
Sometimes they do allow them to play while the appeal is in process. It
may take the action of a federal judge though.

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Not only will it be appealed, but I bet ya Artest is back on the court
by the All-Star game. Also, Artest could possibly sue the NBA for not
providing adequate security which led to the situation. Imagine if it
had been something other than a drink in a cup(Monica Seles stabbing
comes to mind).

Somehow, fans were allowed onto the floor. There is no telling what else
couldve happened.
Is Artest blameless? NO!!!! But he shouldnt be suspended for the
remainder of the season either.

PhillyJack
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Yeah, I was at the Pistons game, they only played 8 guys and Billups,
Wallace, Campbell and Coleman didn't dress. Detroit will have everyone
except Wallace back next game....Wallace will return December 3.


"Julie P." <jporpiglia DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Isn't the idea of suspensions to punish the player, not the team? So will
> the Pacers' suspensions be staggered, so as not to hurt the Pacers and the
> NBA fans?
>
> And can the players, including Artest, continue to play while they appeal
> their suspensions?
>
> Did all the Pistons' players serve their suspensions in tonight's game
> against Charlotte? If not, why not, especially since all the Pacers
> players had to last night against Orlando?
>
>
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Of course they'll be appealed! The player's union has already said that they
are filing the appeals on Monday. Whether they get reduced is another
matter. Although Sprewell had his 1-year suspension reduced to 68 games.
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The union will appeal. Unions have discretion on which cases to take
(bounded by their duty to fairly represent players), so, for example,
the players union doesn't have to take Ben Wallace's case, but they
have already announced they'll take the suspensions of Artest,
Jackson, and O'Neal.

And no, Stern doesn't get the final word on this. Like other union
collective bargaining contracts, the final decision is made by an
outside, neutral arbitrator.--Joe
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PhillyJackinAC DeleteThis @webtv.net (J S) wrote in message news:<934-41A18BAB-325 DeleteThis @storefull-3151.bay.webtv.net>...
> Not only will it be appealed, but I bet ya Artest is back on the court
> by the All-Star game. Also, Artest could possibly sue the NBA for not
> providing adequate security which led to the situation. Imagine if it
> had been something other than a drink in a cup(Monica Seles stabbing
> comes to mind).
>

But it wasn't something else, like a knife or gun. A fan coming at a
player with a knife is totally different from a fan tossing a cup of
liquid at a player. Fans aren't prohibited from having a plastic cup
of liquid in the stands. So you cannot suggest that security broke
down by allowing a fan to have a plastic cup. I haven't heard anyone
suggest that security should have been able to prevent a fan from
tossing a plastic cup. It's not Security's fault that Artest ran into
the stands. Maybe they should have done more to prevent fans from
getting onto the court, but there is no way they could prevent a fan
from tossing an allowed object onto the court.
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jslater wrote:

> And no, Stern doesn't get the final word on this. Like other union
> collective bargaining contracts, the final decision is made by an
> outside, neutral arbitrator.--Joe

Since it happened during a game, it is entirely within the
league's purview and wouldn't go to an arbitrator at all.
Instead, it would simply be a request back to Stern for
"reconsideration."

The NBPA's only chance of getting it before an arbitrator
is on a technicality -- the definition is actually "on-
court" vs. "off-court," and the NBPA might argue that the
stands constitute "off-court," notwithstanding the fact
that it was an incident in the arena, during a game, that
started on-court and merely "spilled-over" to the stands.


Larry Coon
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Larry Coon wrote:
> jslater wrote:
>
>> And no, Stern doesn't get the final word on this. Like other union
>> collective bargaining contracts, the final decision is made by an
>> outside, neutral arbitrator.--Joe
>
> Since it happened during a game, it is entirely within the
> league's purview and wouldn't go to an arbitrator at all.
> Instead, it would simply be a request back to Stern for
> "reconsideration."
>
> The NBPA's only chance of getting it before an arbitrator
> is on a technicality -- the definition is actually "on-
> court" vs. "off-court," and the NBPA might argue that the
> stands constitute "off-court," notwithstanding the fact
> that it was an incident in the arena, during a game, that
> started on-court and merely "spilled-over" to the stands.
>
>

I thought the on-court section in player conduct was referring to
enforcement of the game rules and says consistant with the CBA? Despite the
fact there is a rule about going into the stands, could the NBPA argue that
the punsiment is excessive and so violates the CBA? Would not the arbriter
decide if he hears it?


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In article <ronaldinho_m-A96863.21135221112004.TakeThisOut@individual.net>, Ron wrote:
> In article <n1t2q0tukk7k1uc0pmk25fuf4uac5t59oe.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>, Jellyous
> wrote:
>
>> Any way for Artest to appeal the suspension and get it reduced to maybe 20 or
>> 30 games?
>>
>> Maybe J.O'Neal and S.Jackson can reduce theirs to 10 games.
>>
>
> They're going to try. After all, the union got Sprewell's
> suspension reduced.

No, Sprewell's contract was voided by the Sonics, and the union
showed that they still had to pay him his guaranteed money.
That's a somewhat different situation from a penalty handed down
by the league..


> I'm not sure if the union has an obligation to support any
> player in their appeal or not -- they're not Artest's laywers,
> who's job it is to argue his position. It's their job to serve
> the best interest of the players as a whole.

Hunter says he's going to try to get the penalty reduced, and
since that's his job, it's no big deal. He likely won't succeed
in time to make any difference.

--
Neil Cerutti
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Jellyous wrote in message news:<n1t2q0tukk7k1uc0pmk25fuf4uac5t59oe.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>...
> Any way for Artest to appeal the suspension and get it reduced to maybe 20 or
> 30 games?

The unions almost always appeal, no matter how much the players were
at fault. Remember in baseball a few years back when a player spit on
an umpire and got a relatively minor penalty? The union even appealed
that one, so I'm sure the NBAPA will appeal these.

> Maybe J.O'Neal and S.Jackson can reduce theirs to 10 games.

I doubt it. Once the police and the DA get done reviewing the videos
and interviewing witnesses, and start bringing criminal charges, their
suspensions could get longer.
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