trade rumors

"toad" <papatoad.DeleteThis@mrstoad.com> wrote in message
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> "Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > I still think you are wrong about Dale being the problem. Or not better
> than
> > Stepania. At least he hits the open jumpers when left alone and does not
> > look like a marionette missing a string or two...
>
> did I say he was better than Step?

You said the opposite...

> I like what I've seen in Step the few
> times I've seen him. I like that he can actually put one foot in front of
> the other and dribble the ball the length of the court and finish it off
> with a dunk.

Once in a career....=) He can not hit the open jumpers. he is shooting under
40%, Dale his usual over 50%.

that's gotta say something about his future in this league,
> don't ya think? lol. Naw, Dale's the saavy vet, but dale's stats are way
> down and i'm just not all that impressed with him any more. Never really
> was.

He is a good solid role player that brings his lunchbucket and works.

>Been disappointed since we got him for Jermaine. Dale's had his
> moments, but I liked Buck Williams much better.
>

Buck is a little old now.....

> Even if Dale isn't out #1 problem, I think most would agree the center as
a
> whole is.

I would say it is the defense in general and the lack of someone to run the
offense efficiently. I think center is not a huge problem.


> We need to get Vranes in there. He'll average 20 points, 20
> boards, and 7 blocks per night, then we'll be a contender.
>
> ever see mothman prophecies? was on last night. not great acting per se,
> but interesting movie.

Was Vranes in it? =)

"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamGoAway RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> However there are a lot more offensive stats, for more areas of the game,
to
> work with.

yea.


> > and do many intangibles that don't show up in stats. I consider reggie
> > miller one of the best SGs to ever play this game, and one of his
> attributes
> > that makes him so valuable is his constant movement on the court. Even
if
> > he's not scoring, he's keeping defenses off balance and defenders have
to
> > work hard. A lot of guys who don't put up many stats will pick players
a
> > lot to help execute plays. that stuff doesn't show up in stats.
>
> How about the guys that set all those screens for him and a coach that
> designs an offense around it? Reggie would not have been used if he went
to
> LA any more than Rice was.


ya think? I think Reg stayed in Indiana b/c they saw his value. Anything
trash reg talked, he backed up with hustle, passion, effort. I think you
make a bad comparison b/c Rice was always a guy who demanded more. If he
wasn't getting enough shots, he wanted to go to a team that would let him be
a ballhog. Rice is a prick, reggie's all heart. Rice definitely had his
moments, but he was far less of a team player in my opinion. Reggie's far
more valuable. Rice is now just hoping to stay on a team that'll cut him a
paycheck.


> > but I guess the overall point was to say, the active defenders tend to
> > naturally accumulate stats, and steals are a fairly good measure of
> > defensive ability. Not in every case, but I'd say most. there's
> exceptions
> > of course.
> >
> > and I think you're a bit unfair to Christie.
>
> I would say I was damn flattering to just call him overrated....=)


but nobody's pumping him up to be an all-star or anything, so he's not
really overrated. I think a player is only overrated if he's getting
undeserving accolades or credit. Christie would fall into my role player or
productive categories, not a star by any means, but more of an asset than a
liability. he does a lot of intangibles that keep him in the starting
lineup for a team rich with talent. I mean, if they were really unhappy
with him, they could go small and have bobby jackson in the backcourt with
bibby, or they could try wallace at SG, or even use peeler. but the utility
man survives. it's just like bruce bowen in san antonio. nothing special,
but an asset defensively. despite his poor shooting, he stays in the
starting lineup... he just don't shoot that much, so he's not really a
liability. decent role player.



> > Damon has 38 with a 1.19 per game avg... last on the list tied at 49th.
> >
> > what would you think of our team (cap restrictions aside =)) if we had
> > Artest and Baron D instead of Wallace and Damon?
>
> Artest is an bomb waiting to explode, I think even I am tired of those...


lol. he explodes all the time, but I don't consider him a liability at all.
I think his value to the pacers is similar to rasheed's in portland.


> > or what would you think of kirilenko here instead of wallace? I really
> > thought with Mailman and stockton gone that stevenson or harpring would
be
> > their star, but Arroyo and especially Kirilenko have been solid. Kiri
> gets
> > nearly 3 blocks per game, over 2 steals, 16 points, 8 boards, and 3
> assists.
> > He's really coming into his own. Plays his heart out at both ends of
the
> > court. 34% from the 3 point line. 80% FT. 47 from the floor.
> >
> >
>
> I love AK47. I doubt he is going anywhere though. If they want Wallace
they
> can likely get him as a FA without giving up anyone.

yea, maybe, but I think there's enough interest in portland that we may pull
a trade as opposed to just dumping him and his salary at season's end. we
either better resign him or trade him fast. if we just flat out lose him,
i'd have to say we're pretty stupid... and if we could workout a deal with
utah for Kiri, that's better than nothing and I think he'd be an incredible
asset. will only get better.