I do not trust McHale to make the deal for A.I.

Perhaps, but do not give them Foye. Philly is a motivated seller, don't
give away the future.
James, EG, THud
>
> It's either trade KG or bring in AI for whatever we have to give imo.
> Which would you rather do? KG's patience has to be wearing thin. This is
> prolly our last chance at giving KG a shot at a ring.
>
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> It's either trade KG or bring in AI for whatever we have to give imo.
> Which would you rather do? KG's patience has to be wearing thin. This is
> prolly our last chance at giving KG a shot at a ring.

Good point. And also,
Thinking ahead.......Suppose AI is unhappy after one year (Spreewell,
Casell)
Then you've got nothing. Again.
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Andy H wrote:
>
> Besides, the new 3 headed monster seems to be jelling. A.I. is a force
> to be reckonged with, but he's old, and how much is left?
>
> If it means giving up Foye, NO.

Oh come on. The team as-is will be fighting for the 8 seed and will be
absolutly zero threat to challenge for an NBA title (this year or
next). Add AI and you might have a team that could contend (especially
if you keep James).

It'd be nice to hold onto Foye, but ... really, isn't it worth it? I
mean, do we have any strong indication of future superstardom in him
right now?

If you can get AI, you do it. When KG is gone, there'll be pleny of
time for rebuilding. Now is not the time.

Matt
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Matt wrote:
> Andy H wrote:
> >
> > Besides, the new 3 headed monster seems to be jelling. A.I. is a force
> > to be reckonged with, but he's old, and how much is left?
> >
> > If it means giving up Foye, NO.
>
> Oh come on. The team as-is will be fighting for the 8 seed and will be
> absolutly zero threat to challenge for an NBA title (this year or
> next). Add AI and you might have a team that could contend (especially
> if you keep James).

Well, if Davis, James and KG continue to play like they have over the
past three games, I think they could finish higher than an 8 seed.
They just beat two of the top teams in the West (Utah, Houston) and the
hottest team in the East (Chicago). James really seems to have found
his role on the team, and the team is coming together.

> It'd be nice to hold onto Foye, but ... really, isn't it worth it? I
> mean, do we have any strong indication of future superstardom in him
> right now?

Maybe not a "strong indication", but I do think there is a decent
chance of becoming an all star caliber player. If the Wolves were not
bringing him along so slowly, I believe he could be averaging 15-18 ppg
right now.

> If you can get AI, you do it. When KG is gone, there'll be pleny of
> time for rebuilding. Now is not the time.

I agree that the Wolves should try to get AI, even if Foye must be
included. However, word today is that Philly is getting better than
expected offers and that the Wolves are out of the sweepstakes.
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John Hollinger of ESPN.com said it best about the AI-Foye deal (paraphrased)
Who'd you rather have - a many time all-Star, former MVP, still among the
league leaders in scoring or a guy who MIGHT be an All-Star in a few years?

Jim Welters

in article 1165706630.395505.68170 RemoveThis @n67g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, Andy H at
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> Perhaps, but do not give them Foye. Philly is a motivated seller, don't
> give away the future.
> James, EG, THud
>>
>> It's either trade KG or bring in AI for whatever we have to give imo.
>> Which would you rather do? KG's patience has to be wearing thin. This is
>> prolly our last chance at giving KG a shot at a ring.
>>
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>
> "For Faust, the lure of Mephistopheles' services is greatly enhanced by the
> fact that the price, albeit a terrible one, is to be paid later. For
> politicians, the lure of the support obtained through public expenditures is
> similarly enhanced by the fact that public debt will be paid -or reneged-by
> next generations; often well after the end for one's political career."
>
> -- Finance Minister of Italy Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa

I'll be Tommaso has never been referred to as pithy. That said, my
objection to picking up AI is mostly intuition. I don't think at this
stage of his career, health, etc its a good idea. I see this not
working, and McHale having a built in excuse for not improving. Casey
is working well with the group we have, there's been enormous
improvement with Davis and Blount. (I can't believe I'm saying good
things about Blount, but perhaps all that SEAL training in Florida
actually made him quicker in the post.)

I might not object if this was August or September, but not now. Not
worth the whirl.
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> > If you can get AI, you do it. When KG is gone, there'll be pleny of
> > time for rebuilding. Now is not the time.
>
> I agree that the Wolves should try to get AI, even if Foye must be
> included. However, word today is that Philly is getting better than
> expected offers and that the Wolves are out of the sweepstakes.

I'd love to see it, just to see you complain about AI not passing to KG
enough. Question is, would KG complain about not getting enough touches the
way Webber complained last year?

--
"Only a fool fights a battle that in his heart he knows he cannot win."

-- Genghis Khan

"For Faust, the lure of Mephistopheles' services is greatly enhanced by the
fact that the price, albeit a terrible one, is to be paid later. For
politicians, the lure of the support obtained through public expenditures is
similarly enhanced by the fact that public debt will be paid -or reneged-by
next generations; often well after the end for one's political career."

-- Finance Minister of Italy Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa
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Jim Welters wrote:
> John Hollinger of ESPN.com said it best about the AI-Foye deal (paraphrased)
> Who'd you rather have - a many time all-Star, former MVP, still among the
> league leaders in scoring or a guy who MIGHT be an All-Star in a few years?

Bingo. For me, it's all about window of opportunity. It ain't open much
longer.

Matt
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Don Tiberone wrote:
> <ikrushlots RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> > > If you can get AI, you do it. When KG is gone, there'll be pleny of
> > > time for rebuilding. Now is not the time.
> >
> > I agree that the Wolves should try to get AI, even if Foye must be
> > included. However, word today is that Philly is getting better than
> > expected offers and that the Wolves are out of the sweepstakes.
>
> I'd love to see it, just to see you complain about AI not passing to KG
> enough. Question is, would KG complain about not getting enough touches the
> way Webber complained last year?

You obviously don't know a whole lot about KG's attitude.
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>
> You obviously don't know a whole lot about KG's attitude.

I read his quotes in the papers, and he's not the GM. I think the AI
notion is enticing, but I still think its a bad idea.

Here's a tidbit on Charles Barkley's take on this thing from SI site:

Charles Barkley forced his way out of Philadelphia in 1992, after eight
seasons with the Sixers, landing with the Phoenix Suns in what turned
out to be a disastrous trade for Jeff Hornacek, Andrew Lang and Tim
Perry. But Barkley insisted his situation had been far different than
the one Iverson is facing. "In my situation, everybody wanted me,"
Barkley said. "They had six or eight teams trying to get me. They're
trying to give [Iverson] away. That's the difference. He's a terrific
player, a Hall of Fame player, but unless he learns to share the ball
and make players around him better, it's not going to work anywhere."
Asked whether he believes Iverson -- a seven-time All-Star, a four-time
scoring champion and the 2000-01 Most Valuable Player -- can change in
his 11th season, Barkely replied: "I do not think he can change."
-- Philadelphia Daily News

*** I don't think he can change either. Don't do it.
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On Dec 11, 10:33 pm, "Andy H" <ahar....DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote:
> > "For Faust, the lure of Mephistopheles' services is greatly enhanced by the
> > fact that the price, albeit a terrible one, is to be paid later. For
> > politicians, the lure of the support obtained through public expenditures is
> > similarly enhanced by the fact that public debt will be paid -or reneged-by
> > next generations; often well after the end for one's political career."
>
> >  -- Finance Minister of Italy Tommaso Padoa-SchioppaI'll be Tommaso has never been referred to as pithy.  

***
An italian finance minister is an oximoron, it would be like asking
Maddog an opinion about shooting 3s, believe me, I`m an eyetalian
citizen ( dual now, after last month cerimony).

I hope we don`t get Iverson, the team looks good right now and Iverson
shoots way too much.
I check his stats often, and he rarely scores with decent %. Hudson
could score a lot too, shooting like crazy, well, I hope he is not
reading this.
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ikrushlots.TakeThisOut@aol.com wrote:
> Don Tiberone wrote:
> > <ikrushlots.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165819969.459501.303990@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > > > If you can get AI, you do it. When KG is gone, there'll be pleny of
> > > > time for rebuilding. Now is not the time.
> > >
> > > I agree that the Wolves should try to get AI, even if Foye must be
> > > included. However, word today is that Philly is getting better than
> > > expected offers and that the Wolves are out of the sweepstakes.
> >
> > I'd love to see it, just to see you complain about AI not passing to KG
> > enough. Question is, would KG complain about not getting enough
> > touches the way Webber complained last year?
>
> You obviously don't know a whole lot about KG's attitude.

<grin> El Dondo is a Lakers fan. How could he possibly
know that KG is the total antithesis to Kobe, Shaq, and
all them others? The last "team-first" star(ter) they had
was Kurt Rambis.

No, KG won't bitch-whine like Webber.

But having said that, I'm with Charles Barkley. Iverson
will not, cannot, change into a team-first player. Hell, KG
can't even get Hudson to change.
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>
> ikrushlots RemoveThis @aol.com wrote:
> > Don Tiberone wrote:
> > > <ikrushlots RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1165819969.459501.303990@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > > > If you can get AI, you do it. When KG is gone, there'll be pleny
of
> > > > > time for rebuilding. Now is not the time.
> > > >
> > > > I agree that the Wolves should try to get AI, even if Foye must be
> > > > included. However, word today is that Philly is getting better than
> > > > expected offers and that the Wolves are out of the sweepstakes.
> > >
> > > I'd love to see it, just to see you complain about AI not passing to
KG
> > > enough. Question is, would KG complain about not getting enough
> > > touches the way Webber complained last year?
> >
> > You obviously don't know a whole lot about KG's attitude.

I've seen his interviews where he's said it doesn't matter. But nonetheless,
what will happen when he REALLY doesn't get touches consistently and the
team is struggling? Afterall, supposedly Webber was also a team player. His
assist totals was among the highest among PFs.

> <grin> El Dondo is a Lakers fan. How could he possibly
> know that KG is the total antithesis to Kobe, Shaq, and
> all them others? The last "team-first" star(ter) they had
> was Kurt Rambis.

You've obviously never seen Walton play before. The single most unselfish
player in the entire league. The guy is unselfish to a fault. I can't
remember how many times he's passed up a layup just to pass to another guy.
It's like he said a few years ago, he said the rest of the team likes to
shoot, he likes to pass.

--
"Only a fool fights a battle that in his heart he knows he cannot win."

-- Genghis Khan

"For Faust, the lure of Mephistopheles' services is greatly enhanced by the
fact that the price, albeit a terrible one, is to be paid later. For
politicians, the lure of the support obtained through public expenditures is
similarly enhanced by the fact that public debt will be paid -or reneged-by
next generations; often well after the end for one's political career."

-- Finance Minister of Italy Tommaso Padoa-Schioppa
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