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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:53 am
Post subject: win over Kings and Korver traded
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:41 pm
Post subject: Re: win over Kings and Korver traded [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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It's true. None of the reports identified the draft pick, presumably it is
this year's Jazz pick.
At first glance, this trade is hard to figure. Swapping Korver for Giricek
is an obvious net minus. Giricek has some talent, but basically he is a
30-year old NBA journeyman. He is not going to be the offensive threat off
the bench that Korver was. Sure, we got a first roundn pick, but do the
Sixers really want two first round picks this year? It's already a young
team, where Korver was actually one of the vets.
My first guess is that there must be some salary cap purpose behind the
transaction. My second guess would be that this is only the first trade of
.. . . more to come.
If there are no more trades to come, perhaps Giricek is ticketed for the
Rodney Carney role. Having watched Carney start the last several games with
Green hurt, this is fine with me. I've about given up on Carney. I watched
the first half of the Kings game last night, Carney could not stay in front
of his man. On offense, he went 2-8 in 17 minutes. Braaaack.
Perhaps Thaddeus Young will move into Korver's minutes, if not his role.
Young has played very well lately, including what I saw last night. In 15
minutes, he grabbed 5 boards, made three steals, and scored 6 points on 3-4
shooting, including one great jam. Young has show rapid improvement for
such a young rookie. Speaking of rookies, Jason Smith also played very well
last night, shooting 4-4 (including a three!) and grabbing some boards.
However, all this must be kept in perspective in that the Kings were without
their three best players, Bibby, Artest, and Martin. At least Mikki Moore
wasn't constantly running down the lane and throwing down dunks, as he did
all game long in Philly. Dalembert and Smith stayed home more, and played
the lane well.
---- Kurt Straub
<wroehl DeleteThis @temple.edu> wrote in message
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> http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/deepsixer/2007/12/korver_traded_f...giricek
> reports Korver traded for Giricek and a 1st round pick. Giricek's
> contract expires at the end of this season.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:35 pm
Post subject: Re: win over Kings and Korver traded [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Dec 29, 1:41 pm, "Kurt Straub" <jkurtstr... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> It's true. None of the reports identified the draft pick, presumably it is
> this year's Jazz pick.
>
> At first glance, this trade is hard to figure. Swapping Korver for Giricek
> is an obvious net minus. Giricek has some talent, but basically he is a
> 30-year old NBA journeyman. He is not going to be the offensive threat off
> the bench that Korver was. Sure, we got a first roundn pick, but do the
> Sixers really want two first round picks this year? It's already a young
> team, where Korver was actually one of the vets.
>
> My first guess is that there must be some salary cap purpose behind the
> transaction. My second guess would be that this is only the first trade of
> . . . more to come.
>
> If there are no more trades to come, perhaps Giricek is ticketed for the
> Rodney Carney role. Having watched Carney start the last several games with
> Green hurt, this is fine with me. I've about given up on Carney. I watched
> the first half of the Kings game last night, Carney could not stay in front
> of his man. On offense, he went 2-8 in 17 minutes. Braaaack.
>
> Perhaps Thaddeus Young will move into Korver's minutes, if not his role.
> Young has played very well lately, including what I saw last night. In 15
> minutes, he grabbed 5 boards, made three steals, and scored 6 points on 3-4
> shooting, including one great jam. Young has show rapid improvement for
> such a young rookie. Speaking of rookies, Jason Smith also played very well
> last night, shooting 4-4 (including a three!) and grabbing some boards.
>
> However, all this must be kept in perspective in that the Kings were without
> their three best players, Bibby, Artest, and Martin. At least Mikki Moore
> wasn't constantly running down the lane and throwing down dunks, as he did
> all game long in Philly. Dalembert and Smith stayed home more, and played
> the lane well.
>
> ---- Kurt Straub
>
> <wro... RemoveThis @temple.edu> wrote in message
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> news:ccb7b8b8-8869-4e44-927b-059dab39885d@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
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> >http://blogs.phillynews.com/inquirer/deepsixer/2007/12/korver_traded_...
> > reports Korver traded for Giricek and a 1st round pick. Giricek's
> > contract expires at the end of this season.
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> > wes- Hide quoted text -
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It was my understanding that this was all about cap and contract
length--Giricek's on his last year while Korver is under contract for
three more seasons after 07-08 (and his annual salary likely escalates
in each of those years, if his agent was paying any attention to sop
while Billy King ran the show).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:16 pm
Post subject: Re: win over Kings and Korver traded [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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<wroehl RemoveThis @temple.edu> wrote in message
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On Dec 29, 1:41 pm, "Kurt Straub" <jkurtstr... RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
It was my understanding that this was all about cap and contract
length--Giricek's on his last year while Korver is under contract for
three more seasons after 07-08 (and his annual salary likely escalates
in each of those years, if his agent was paying any attention to sop
while Billy King ran the show).
Ack, so why not unload the Rodney Carnet contract? Hmmm, I guess that
question answers itself.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:41 am
Post subject: Re: Giricek / Jerry Sloan verbal exchange during Utah's four-game [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Dec 30, 9:31 am, dcc <d....TakeThisOut@somehost.somedomain> wrote:
> http://www.nba.com/fantasy/fantasy_playernews.jsp?date=12/29/07&type=....
> _korver
"The trade was simply a mechanism to get Giricek away from coach Jerry
Sloan"
I'm not sure whether these are dcc's words or from someone at nba.com/
fantasy, but in either case, it's an analysis that seems to forget
that it takes two to tango. Utah has done more than relieve
themselves of a messy personal situation--they' taken on a little over
$15 M in contract obligation over the next three seasons. I'd hope
that they added Korver because of what they perceive he brings to the
table, otherwise they just paid a lot to settle a pissing contest
between Sloan and Giricek.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:31 am
Post subject: Giricek / Jerry Sloan verbal exchange during Utah's four-game road trip [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:46 pm
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What a lousy trade. Ugh, if this is a reflection of the Stefanski era
it's not a good omen at all. Korver wasn't a big star or anything but
he was certainly the kind of role player off the bench that any good
team can use to good effect. Not only that but he was the Sixers'
*only* reliable perimeter shooter--and in that respect one of the best
in the entire league--so it's not like his skills were superfluous or
anything with the current roster. While it does save some cap space,
it's still marginal, and it's not like Korver's contract was a
particularly bad one as he was more or less getting market value for
someone of his abilities (compare, for instance, to Jason Kapono).
Why not dump Willie Green on someone, or Carney, or, naturally,
Miller? At least the team has other guys to fill those positions.
While it could be part of a tank job for the draft (ask the Celtics
how that works out), the benefits to me of this trade seem to be far
overshadowed by what they lose. Meh.
For what it's worth, I've always kind of liked Giricek and he could
help the team. Certainly he's a better option at SG than Green or
Carney. Too bad he's apparently destined to be dumped at the end of
the year.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:04 am
Post subject: Re: Giricek / Jerry Sloan verbal exchange during Utah's four-game [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Dec 30, 9:46 pm, Ian Kognitow <cova... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> What a lousy trade. Ugh, if this is a reflection of the Stefanski era
> it's not a good omen at all. Korver wasn't a big star or anything but
> he was certainly the kind of role player off the bench that any good
> team can use to good effect. Not only that but he was the Sixers'
> *only* reliable perimeter shooter--and in that respect one of the best
> in the entire league--so it's not like his skills were superfluous or
> anything with the current roster. While it does save some cap space,
> it's still marginal, and it's not like Korver's contract was a
> particularly bad one as he was more or less getting market value for
> someone of his abilities (compare, for instance, to Jason Kapono).
> Why not dump Willie Green on someone, or Carney, or, naturally,
> Miller? At least the team has other guys to fill those positions.
> While it could be part of a tank job for the draft (ask the Celtics
> how that works out), the benefits to me of this trade seem to be far
> overshadowed by what they lose. Meh.
>
> For what it's worth, I've always kind of liked Giricek and he could
> help the team. Certainly he's a better option at SG than Green or
> Carney. Too bad he's apparently destined to be dumped at the end of
> the year.
>
> --IK
After thinking about this I agree. Unless the new GM has no
confidence in Korver's abilities over the next few years the benefits
of this salary dump don't seem that great. I had assumed that Korver
had signed a typically silly BK contract but his numbers over the next
three years seemed reasonable (a little over $15 M in total, no?).
And he was popular (do they change all the billboards and promotional
material with his picture?).
I'm willing to give the new guy the benefit of the doubt--but I can
only suspend judgment for so long. If this turns out to be a painful
but necessary step in some plan, fine. If history shows this to be a
move that was all about freeing a little cap space at the cost of a
useful and popular player; not so good.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:49 am
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On Dec 31, 8:04 am, wro....DeleteThis@temple.edu wrote:
> On Dec 30, 9:46 pm, Ian Kognitow <cova....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> > What a lousy trade. Ugh, if this is a reflection of the Stefanski era
> > it's not a good omen at all. Korver wasn't a big star or anything but
> > he was certainly the kind of role player off the bench that any good
> > team can use to good effect. Not only that but he was the Sixers'
> > *only* reliable perimeter shooter--and in that respect one of the best
> > in the entire league--so it's not like his skills were superfluous or
> > anything with the current roster. While it does save some cap space,
> > it's still marginal, and it's not like Korver's contract was a
> > particularly bad one as he was more or less getting market value for
> > someone of his abilities (compare, for instance, to Jason Kapono).
> > Why not dump Willie Green on someone, or Carney, or, naturally,
> > Miller? At least the team has other guys to fill those positions.
> > While it could be part of a tank job for the draft (ask the Celtics
> > how that works out), the benefits to me of this trade seem to be far
> > overshadowed by what they lose. Meh.
>
> > For what it's worth, I've always kind of liked Giricek and he could
> > help the team. Certainly he's a better option at SG than Green or
> > Carney. Too bad he's apparently destined to be dumped at the end of
> > the year.
>
> > --IK
>
> After thinking about this I agree. Unless the new GM has no
> confidence in Korver's abilities over the next few years the benefits
> of this salary dump don't seem that great. I had assumed that Korver
> had signed a typically silly BK contract but his numbers over the next
> three years seemed reasonable (a little over $15 M in total, no?).
> And he was popular (do they change all the billboards and promotional
> material with his picture?).
A further point is that even if the team was willing to move Korver it
seems that they could have done something better than a pure salary
dump. I seem to remember reading that one of the holdups with some of
the Iverson trade scenarios was that many of the teams were trying to
get Korver as well--and I do believe that most teams wouldn't mind
having him for a reasonable price. Couldn't Korver then be similarly
packaged with Miller (Miami would again seem a logical suitor since
they have been widely criticized for not keeping Kapono) or someone
else to at least create *a lot* of cap space rather than just the
extra $5M or so they get with trading Korver alone. It almost seems
like a panic move when there shouldn't be any particular pressure to
make a deal at least until the trade deadline. And again, at some
point the Sixers will now need to focus even more on addressing the
need for a reliable perimeter shooters since now they have zero
(discounting Giricek here).
--IK
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> I'm willing to give the new guy the benefit of the doubt--but I can
> only suspend judgment for so long. If this turns out to be a painful
> but necessary step in some plan, fine. If history shows this to be a
> move that was all about freeing a little cap space at the cost of a
> useful and popular player; not so good.
>
> wes >> Stay informed about: win over Kings and Korver traded |
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