wow, Sixers waste 50 Mil on Kenny Thomas

Perhaps it's because under the CBA cap rules, they couldn't offer that kind
of money to Arenas, since Thomas has Bird rights. Or perhaps it's because
they already have a point guard named Eric Snow under contract and plan to
give Iverson some minutes at that position as well. Are you sure it's the
Sixers who don't know what they're doing?

"LoOneYt0on" <looneyt0on.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> 7 year deal for 50 million. He's decent, but not worth near that amount
of
> money. Why not offer Arenas that kind of money first? Oh yeah, cause the
> Sixers have no idea what they are doing.
>
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"Victor Hastings" wrote:

>Perhaps it's because under the CBA cap rules, they couldn't offer that kind
>of money to Arenas, since Thomas has Bird rights.

Bird rights dont mean you go out and spend ridiculous amounts on players not
worth the money. Thomas wouldnt get more than the mid level exception.

>Or perhaps it's because
they already have a point guard named >Eric Snow under contract

Arenas isn't a point guard, and who cares about Snow? He's not that good of a
player. 13ppg and 6.6apg isnt anything special from a point guard.

>and plan to give Iverson some minutes at that position as well.

Iverson is going to play the point again? Arenas could play SG on a permanent
basis then and keep Iverson at the point and trade Snow.

>Are you sure it's the Sixers who don't know what they're doing?

the Sixers certainly couldnt try to do a sign and trade for Arenas now, could
they? My bad that that I thought the Sixers were at 46 million on the cap when
it was 64 million. Amazing that the Sixers conceivably lose 20 million off
their cap this year and cant do anything with it at all. Philly management
sure left them in the shitter in regard to cap room.

Maybe they should try trading Van Horn to Portland for Sabonis and McInnis and
cap fodder. Then at least they can free up 6.8 million by cutting Sabonis and
another 3 mil at the end of the year by getting rid of McInnis. Though Iverson
could opt out of his contract after the 04' season. The Sixers look lottery
bound in the next 2 years even if Iverson stays.
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The Inky reports 7 years for $42 million, making the contract $6
million/year.
Even better!

---- Kurt

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> Actually, I don't mind paying Thomas $7 million/year.
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> Bird rights dont mean you go out and spend ridiculous amounts on players
not
> worth the money. Thomas wouldnt get more than the mid level exception.

Not true, and what the Sixers paid him ($6M/yr for 7 years) seems pretty
reasonable.

> Arenas isn't a point guard,

Yes he is.

> and who cares about Snow? He's not that good of a
> player. 13ppg and 6.6apg isnt anything special from a point guard.

Arenas: 19 ppg, 6.3 assists. Better numbers than Snow's but Snow's a decent
PG.

> Iverson is going to play the point again? Arenas could play SG on a
permanent
> basis then and keep Iverson at the point and trade Snow.

That would be a damn short backcourt. I expect Snow to be dealt, but for a
big man, not another guard.

> the Sixers certainly couldnt try to do a sign and trade for Arenas now,
could
> they?

I don't think the Warriors are able to do that deal. They don't have Bird
rights so they are not able to offer Arenas very much, and I don't think the
rule changes in a sign-and-trade.

> My bad that that I thought the Sixers were at 46 million on the cap when
> it was 64 million. Amazing that the Sixers conceivably lose 20 million
off
> their cap this year and cant do anything with it at all. Philly
management
> sure left them in the shitter in regard to cap room.

Probably, but most teams are in a similar position. Miami got a huge break
when Carter didn't exercise his option. Otherwise only a few teams are
under the cap.

> Maybe they should try trading Van Horn to Portland for Sabonis and McInnis
and
> cap fodder. Then at least they can free up 6.8 million by cutting Sabonis
and
> another 3 mil at the end of the year by getting rid of McInnis. Though
Iverson
> could opt out of his contract after the 04' season. The Sixers look
lottery
> bound in the next 2 years even if Iverson stays.

Cutting a player doesn't get him off your payroll or your cap number.
Dealing Van Horn would definitely help, but why would Portland want to take
him on in exchange for the players you propose?
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> and Arenas is better and in his early 20's.


I'm not arguing that Snow is better than Arenas; he isn't. But he's a
decent PG, and the Sixers clearly have much bigger problems at center than
at PG.

> anytime you have Iverson playing SG its a small backcourt. Unless you
have a
> 6' 8" PG. BTW, NBA.com has Snow and Arenas both listed at 6' 3".


That's why playing Iverson at PG makes more sense. It's easier to find a
big SG than a big PG.

> they can offer (Arenas) up to the mid level exception, IIRC.

But I don't think Arenas would go for that. He's looking for nearly twice
that. I would be shocked if he signed for mid-level money.

> Sabonis is retired, so cutting him would immediately remove his salary
from a
> team's cap.

I don't think that's right. He has one more year on his contract; he counts
against the cap. If he quit because of an injury, then he'd count against
the cap for no more than two seasons. But I'm pretty sure he's on
Portland's cap this year, and would be on Philly's if they traded for him.
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"Victor Hastings" wrote:

> > and Arenas is better and in his early 20's.

> I'm not arguing that Snow is better than Arenas; he isn't. But he's a
> decent PG, and the Sixers clearly have much bigger problems at center than
> at PG.

there's no fixes at the C position, however. If you can add offense
and scoring, then it fixes some of the problems at other positions.
Its much easier to find a PG/SG that can average near 20ppg than a
center that can. Then you can have a center that scores less but
plays good defense.

> > anytime you have Iverson playing SG its a small backcourt. Unless you
> have a
> > 6' 8" PG. BTW, NBA.com has Snow and Arenas both listed at 6' 3".

> That's why playing Iverson at PG makes more sense. It's easier to find a
> big SG than a big PG.

Iverson didnt want to play PG earlier in his career. If he does now,
its news to me and lots of other people. It makes a lot of sense for
Iverson to play PG, but he has to want to.

> > they can offer (Arenas) up to the mid level exception, IIRC.

> But I don't think Arenas would go for that. He's looking for nearly twice
> that. I would be shocked if he signed for mid-level money.

at this point, his options are drying up. Denver made an offer to
Miller, Miami made an offer to Brand and Utah made an offer to
Maggette. Arenas visited the Wizards last week, who can only offer 7
million a season. San Antonio isn't interested. That means he'll
have to take less money somewhere or wait it out and see which
contracts if any that the Clippers match.

> > Sabonis is retired, so cutting him would immediately remove his salary
> from a
> > team's cap.

> I don't think that's right. He has one more year on his contract; he counts
> against the cap. If he quit because of an injury, then he'd count against
> the cap for no more than two seasons. But I'm pretty sure he's on
> Portland's cap this year, and would be on Philly's if they traded for him.

I believe there is a clause in the contract where the money was not
guaranteed in the event he retired or played in Europe. I have seen
this mentioned in an article, but I haven't been able to find it
online. It was originally mentioned in a sign and trade of Payton for
McInnis and Sabonis. It then said that Sabonis could be released and
dropped from the cap, like Anthony Peeler was.
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> > > Sabonis is retired, so cutting him would immediately remove his salary
> > from a
> > > team's cap.

You're right. From the Indianapolis Star:

One option for the Pacers is to trade for Portland's Arvydas Sabonis, the
veteran center who plans to retire. Most of Sabonis' $7 million salary next
season is not guaranteed and he could be released without it counting
against the luxury tax.
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